TSP Torquer v.2 too big for DD?

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Jan 11, 2006 | 11:13 AM

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what would i have to do to rev the car up that high? just rod bolts? would you even try it on a 98? every friday night from spring to fall me and my friends go to the track, so it would probably see alot of track time too.

Jan 11, 2006 | 11:17 AM

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Most customers run that camshaft without worrying about rod bolts. If I was going to spin over 6700-6800 I'd think about rod bolts though...

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Jan 11, 2006 | 11:34 AM

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Jan 11, 2006 | 03:51 PM

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Prove the fm11 makes more. It doesnt, the fm13 is compareable the tr224. You want the best street cam on the market you get the TR224 112 lsa. You want your power above 6000rpms get a different cam. Its plain and simple and has been proved time and time again. Also use he freaking search button and look at some graphs to see the actual power ranges of the cam, not what the mfg'er says it will do.

I did consult graphs. That's how I go the 6250rpm peak figure for the F11.

F11, Stock heads

F11, stock heads, vs ported

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Jan 11, 2006 | 03:54 PM

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So, how is the F11, not comparable to the TR224?
It puts out, over and over, 10-15hp more, while retaining a decent tq curve.

Jan 11, 2006 | 08:35 PM

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Jason Torquer V2 on a 113 peaks at 6200ish....You said it could be shifted at 6400....What would be the best shift point from a track perspective...

Im running 3.73gears and a 4000...but this is a daily driven street car in the summer.

I was considering this cam also I just did not really want to shift past 6500....I don't really want to spend the time replacing rod bolts on this motor....

Jan 11, 2006 | 08:48 PM

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hey south, thanks for the dyno graphs. Those are definately helpful!!

Jan 11, 2006 | 10:37 PM

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I don't know much about the cam but you might want to rethink your decision about the rod bolts since you have a 98.
I got a call from our shop(SN is "SRP" on here) last year asking to come down and look at what was left of this LS1 block that came out of a 98 TA. The #5 and #6 rod bolts had let go in this thing at high rpms and the block was toast. I had them change my rod bolts(to ARP) and rod bearings while they were making my true duals and my #5 & #6 rod bearings were starting to show abnormal wear compared to the other six.
My advice- if you're gonna run a 98 up past 6000 rpms, change those rod bolts. Do a search on here, it's actually not that hard to do.

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Jan 11, 2006 | 10:40 PM

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Do you guys even read any posts.??????

Jan 12, 2006 | 07:49 AM

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Well i am willing to replace my rod bolts, but would i have to replace the rod bearings while im in there? I am prolly going to do a cam liek the f11 or so. Just to be on the safe side.

Jan 12, 2006 | 08:21 AM

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nope, just the bolts, 1 rod at a time, 1 bolt at a time.

Jan 12, 2006 | 10:55 AM

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hey south, thanks for the dyno graphs. Those are definately helpful!!

No problem!

Jan 12, 2006 | 12:01 PM

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hahahah where is the comparison overlay where it beats the tr224? I can show you graphs as well but until you get a similar car side by side on the same dyno you dont have proof of anything. I have an overlay of a tr224 vs an fm13. Both xcar are almost indentical in mods. The tr224 outpulls the fm13 all the way to 5800 rpms. Then the fn13 catches it and has 10 more peak hp after 6000 rpms. It aint better until you get to the rpm range. Are you gonna run your car at 6000-7000 rpms all the time? THIS is where the serious thought comes into play. At what rpm range are you going to drive your car?

Jan 12, 2006 | 12:03 PM

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Bah! The F11 will make tq and hp sooner than the F13.

Jan 12, 2006 | 12:07 PM

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I have one with TR224/G5x2/FM13 overlay with similar results under the curve, but above the curve 5250 things start to change.
One reason I say for pure street 22x range cams are plenty, but at the track, the big boys will shine.

Jan 12, 2006 | 12:07 PM

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I ran the TSP 231/237 and spun it to 7000 on stock rod bolts in my DD. I now have the TSP MS3 and will do the same. The torquer will be fine for daily driving.

Jan 12, 2006 | 12:11 PM

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These are the numbers from an fm13 vs a tr224, done on the same mustang dyno within a week of each other by the same person under the same weather conditions. One car is a 99 ss the other is a 01 ws6, both cars are almost exact in mods.
tr224 fm13
rpms hp tq hp tq
2700 - 170, 331 .. 163, 313
2800 - 181, 338 .. 167, 313
2900 - 189, 342 .. 172, 313
3000 - 200, 348 .. 182, 316
3100 - 209, 355 .. 187, 319
3200 - 219, 360 .. 200, 327
3300 - 229, 365 .. 210, 333
3400 - 238, 368 .. 219, 338
3500 - 245, 369 .. 227, 341
3600 - 254, 371 .. 237, 345
3700 - 263, 374 .. 246, 348
3800 - 273, 376 .. 253, 350
3900 - 279, 377 .. 262, 353
4000 - 288, 377 .. 270, 355
4100 - 296, 378 .. 278, 356
4200 - 303, 379 .. 285, 357
4300 - 310, 379 .. 293, 358
4400 - 319, 380 .. 301, 359
4500 - 327, 383 .. 309, 361
4600 - 339, 385 .. 319, 364
4700 - 346, 387 .. 330, 367
4800 - 353, 387 .. 338, 370
4900 - 362, 388 .. 346, 372
5000 - 368, 387 .. 354, 372
5100 - 374, 385 .. 361, 371
5200 - 379, 383 .. 366, 370
5300 - 384, 380 .. 371, 368
5400 - 389, 377 .. 378, 367
5500 - 392, 375 .. 383, 367
5600 - 395, 371 .. 390, 365

line graph goes beyond 5600 rpms, this was a print out of the numbers. I'm sure I dont have to convince anyone the fm13 had more peak.

Jan 12, 2006 | 12:15 PM

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I ran the TSP 231/237 and spun it to 7000 on stock rod bolts in my DD. I now have the TSP MS3 and will do the same. The torquer will be fine for daily driving.

Your car looks REAL street 4thgen