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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 05:43 PM
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For the record I bought his Torquer V.2 and can't wait to play with it.

I learned my tuning lesson back with my turbo 240sx. Spent a week straight tuning that thing, had my own wideband and tuning software. Got it pretty much perfect, but it was SO frustrating, so I will just let the professionals handle the Torquer tune.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 06:08 PM
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You are running rich at idle. That's yet another thing that you just have to live with with a cam with lots of overlap. The overlap lets lots of unburned oxygen through the exhaust, which the O2's see and interpret as a lean condition, so they dump in more fuel. The only way around that is to run an open loop tune so the O2's don't jigger things. However, white smoke is not a sign of running rich. If you had any smoke at all as a result of running rich it would be dark grey or black, and you would have to be running super rich at idle for black smoke to be seen. White smoke means you're either burning coolant or oil. If you're burning oil the smoke will have more of a bluish tint to it.
Perhaps smoke isn't the proper term. It's been in the 20's and 30's here lately at night. What I'm seeing is a "fuel mist". I have so much unburnt fuel in my exhaust that it's condensing when it leaves the tailpipes. More than normal though. Before the cam, this would happen at start up in cold temps, but once the engine was warm, most of this went away. I'm 100% positive it's gas, not coolant, not oil. I may suck at tuning, but I'm not stupid

I wouldn't say that you're a crappy tuner. I would say that you don't have the knowledge or experience to adequately tune, and were unwilling to spend the time to gain that knowledge and experience.
I'm not giving up tuning altogether, just opting for a cam that's easier to tune (read: more enjoyable to tune). Who knows, maybe somewhere down the road I'll be confident enough to go back to a big cam and tune myself. I'm willing to spend the time to LEARN. What I'm not willing to do is spend months and months trying to make my car drive like stock again. I don't want to pay for a professional tune, because so far, I've got over $500 invested in tuning software, plus an additional $200 on my MO tune from TSP. I never expected tuning to be easy. I've been around this car long enough to know that nothing is easy at first.

Obviously you found that tuning just wasn't for you
Tuning is very much for me. I don't mind experimenting at all. Every single mod that has been done to my car has been done by me. Each and every install was a first for me. As I said earlier, I should have started with something easy and work my way up.

I want to close this by again stating that this is not a flame directed towards you or your tuning abilities
I understand, I posted here because I expected criticism. Thank you for being tasteful in your responses, your courtesy is appreciated.

It needs to be made abundantly clear that these are your problems, and not cam problems, so that those people who are seeking accurate information are not lead astray by misleading "facts".
1. You yourself said that I just have to deal with all the unburnt fuel being delivered at idle because of the cam overlap. That is a characteristic of the cam, not my tuning. If I ran in Open Loop to elminate this, then this car likely wouldn't be my DD anymore.

2. Big lope is another characteristic of the cam. It can't be tuned out, only masked, by raising the idle and adding spark at idle. That lead to MY problem with exhaust volume. I didn't blame the cam for my exhaust.

3. Bucking/surging. You're right, this is an issue with my tuning ability and not the cam itself.

4. Idle hunting. Again, a better tuner can nearly eliminate this.

I've been hanging around the PCM section long enough to know that big cam self-tuners have been hard at work for months, sometimes a year, trying to get their cars driving like stock. More power to 'em. I'm just trying to let the beginner tuner know how it is.

Thanks for comments, I'll update when I get some drive time with the LPE cam.
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Old Feb 3, 2006 | 08:45 AM
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I have a 4000 lb car with the GT2-3 and now GMPP LS6 heads. Car drives fine, pulls fine, is perfect for what I wanted. Haven't been to the track since I put the heads and ported TB on but it should be pretty low 12's. Gets great gas mileage too boot!
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 03:39 PM
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Hey Matt you'd better hurry up and get that thing out on the road, mine should be all done early this week and if the weather is good maybe we can do some breakin in crusing together.
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Old Feb 12, 2006 | 03:49 PM
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I run the LPE GT2-3 cam along with WCCH LS1 heads. The driveability is absolutely perfect. No bucking, surging, lope, nothing. Drives like stock but is quite a bit faster.

Mark
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