Loud Tapping, only after WOT
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Loud Tapping, only after WOT I have a loud tapping that is definetly valve train related that only appears after a WOT sprint.
I have hardened 7.42'' pushrods and new, OEM comp lifters to go along with my Comp cam (214*-.601'').
What could be the culprit? To me it almost sounds like I may have sort of oil starvation problem? Why would it only tick after WOT? Oil pressure is 40-60 at all times.
Any guesses or help would be appreciated...
I have hardened 7.42'' pushrods and new, OEM comp lifters to go along with my Comp cam (214*-.601'').
What could be the culprit? To me it almost sounds like I may have sort of oil starvation problem? Why would it only tick after WOT? Oil pressure is 40-60 at all times.
Any guesses or help would be appreciated...
Generally speaking, the oil would be up top after a blast, not in the pan, so oil starvation I wouldn't think would do it. Does it get quieter after you do it and let it cool down (while running) or does it stay the same until you shut it off, cool, then try again?
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Originally Posted by 67Firebird455
Generally speaking, the oil would be up top after a blast, not in the pan, so oil starvation I wouldn't think would do it. Does it get quieter after you do it and let it cool down (while running) or does it stay the same until you shut it off, cool, then try again?
So therefore, we are looking at a valve train part... Somethings changing after WOT to...... idk, I'm stuck.
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Originally Posted by 89ws6formula50
sounds like a problem I had awhile back, it was a lifter collapsing under high RPM, then when it did, the rocker would clatter. If I shut it off for a bit it would be fine
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Originally Posted by Timonator
What valvesprings are you using?Take a look at your pushrods.
This is with the 214-.601'' cam (1.43 base circle), .043'' head gasket, and .030'' mill.
I've been under the assumption that it was pushrod related the entire time. Now, I'm starting to believe it has nothing to do with push rod length and preload has been correct from the get go. I even used a pushrod length checker but was led to believe, it had to be wrong seeing as it was still tapping.
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Originally Posted by DaddySS
I doubt that it is as simple as change lifters.
When you say wot, you mean a wot run up to what RPM for how long?
When did this start?
When you say wot, you mean a wot run up to what RPM for how long?
When did this start?
It started after the cam swap. So we replaced the heads, swapped in new lifters and pushrods. Still, the same noise is there. These are Comp OEM, replacement lifters by the way.
Let me ask you this. When you did your camswap, did you pull your oil pump off? What im getting at is i FUBARd my o-ring during mine but still had pressure. I hopped on it and saw a large amount of tapping afterward. Just a thought and if so, thats an easy fix.
Stock pushrod length is like 7.398 or so The Comp lifters are probably a couple thousandths taller than the stockers. 1.551" is the stock base circle and your runnin a 1.430" basecircle cam so that would require a .060" longer pushrod to take up the slack but you milled the heads .030" so a .030" longer pushrod is whats required...on paper, which is about what youve got now. I think when you had the 7.400"s in it and swapped to 7.500"s you may have damaged one of the lifters, was the noise there when you was runnin the 918s and stock pushrods?
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Let's see, it was there right after the cam swap, you then put in new heads, lifters, pushrods and it is still there - correct?
For the original cam work, what was done - just a cam? Did you do oil pump? What are the full specs of the cam? Are you still using the 918 springs?
It sounds like you have either an oil starvation problem at higher rpm, or something is forcing one of the lifters to collapse a bit.
How is the P/V clearance?
What oil are you using, what oil filter?
For the original cam work, what was done - just a cam? Did you do oil pump? What are the full specs of the cam? Are you still using the 918 springs?
It sounds like you have either an oil starvation problem at higher rpm, or something is forcing one of the lifters to collapse a bit.
How is the P/V clearance?
What oil are you using, what oil filter?
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Originally Posted by FarmerBeau
Let me ask you this. When you did your camswap, did you pull your oil pump off? What im getting at is i FUBARd my o-ring during mine but still had pressure. I hopped on it and saw a large amount of tapping afterward. Just a thought and if so, thats an easy fix.
I should note that the tapping fluctuates with RPM. Would a damaged o-ring have any correlation?
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Stock pushrod length is like 7.398 or so The Comp lifters are probably a couple thousandths taller than the stockers. 1.551" is the stock base circle and your runnin a 1.430" basecircle cam so that would require a .060" longer pushrod to take up the slack but you milled the heads .030" so a .030" longer pushrod is whats required...on paper, which is about what youve got now. I think when you had the 7.400"s in it and swapped to 7.500"s you may have damaged one of the lifters, was the noise there when you was runnin the 918s and stock pushrods?
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Let's see, it was there right after the cam swap, you then put in new heads, lifters, pushrods and it is still there - correct?
For the original cam work, what was done - just a cam? Did you do oil pump? What are the full specs of the cam? Are you still using the 918 springs?
It sounds like you have either an oil starvation problem at higher rpm, or something is forcing one of the lifters to collapse a bit.
How is the P/V clearance?
What oil are you using, what oil filter?
For the original cam work, what was done - just a cam? Did you do oil pump? What are the full specs of the cam? Are you still using the 918 springs?
It sounds like you have either an oil starvation problem at higher rpm, or something is forcing one of the lifters to collapse a bit.
How is the P/V clearance?
What oil are you using, what oil filter?
Then I decided to swap in new pushrods (7.4''), Comp OEM lifters, and 5.3L heads that had been milled .030''. As soon as I cranked it up, the barely audible ticking was still lingering around. Going WOT would almost guarantee the loud tapping that does not go away until you let the motor cool down.
I'm not positive on P2V, however the stock 5.3L pistons are dished and I'm at a 108 ICL with this cam. (Very common setup)
Lastly, I've been using FRAM filter and Penzoil 10-30 oil.
Im runnin a "Flam" filter, never had a problem with any of the hundreds Ive ran on the 11 Camaros, 3 Mustangs, 2 S10s, 3 Explorers(that were mail delivery vehicles with 600+ stops a day), a F150, a Beretta, and a Grand Marquis that my family has had. I will say(and admit) that some filters are better than others but as long as your runnin a filter its all good.
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Originally Posted by Sport Side
I should note that the tapping fluctuates with RPM. Would a damaged o-ring have any correlation?
Possibly but, the problem has been around since the cam swap and at that time I was using stock pushrods.
Here's how it went. About three months ago, I swapped in a 214/212 .601''/571'' 108LSA cam, 918 springs, and a new timing chain. Everything else was left stock. There was a slight ticking that was audible, and this soon became a loud tap after WOT and a few times, just plain randomly.
Then I decided to swap in new pushrods (7.4''), Comp OEM lifters, and 5.3L heads that had been milled .030''. As soon as I cranked it up, the barely audible ticking was still lingering around. Going WOT would almost guarantee the loud tapping that does not go away until you let the motor cool down.
I'm not positive on P2V, however the stock 5.3L pistons are dished and I'm at a 108 ICL with this cam. (Very common setup)
Lastly, I've been using FRAM filter and Penzoil 10-30 oil.
Possibly but, the problem has been around since the cam swap and at that time I was using stock pushrods.
Here's how it went. About three months ago, I swapped in a 214/212 .601''/571'' 108LSA cam, 918 springs, and a new timing chain. Everything else was left stock. There was a slight ticking that was audible, and this soon became a loud tap after WOT and a few times, just plain randomly.
Then I decided to swap in new pushrods (7.4''), Comp OEM lifters, and 5.3L heads that had been milled .030''. As soon as I cranked it up, the barely audible ticking was still lingering around. Going WOT would almost guarantee the loud tapping that does not go away until you let the motor cool down.
I'm not positive on P2V, however the stock 5.3L pistons are dished and I'm at a 108 ICL with this cam. (Very common setup)
Lastly, I've been using FRAM filter and Penzoil 10-30 oil.
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Originally Posted by DaddySS
So if you let it get completely warm but don't run it up in the RPM range it remains quiet?
Check the oil ump o-ring
I told Beau and he didnt believe me that, that was his problem but he pulled it and there it was, a crimped o-ring. It is VERY easy to screw up the ring. Hell I even did it when I installed the pick up tube while the motor was on an ENGINE STAND
I have the same issue in my 418 with what you are talking about, cold it doesnt tap at all but once the oil gets hot(thin) it starts tapping, and a WOT run makes it sound like its about to fall apart. If its not teh o-ring on the pump then you got me stumped. If it is a chewed o-ring then make sure when you put the new one to put a bunch of oil on it and the intake of the pump so it slides in nice and easy.
I told Beau and he didnt believe me that, that was his problem but he pulled it and there it was, a crimped o-ring. It is VERY easy to screw up the ring. Hell I even did it when I installed the pick up tube while the motor was on an ENGINE STAND I have the same issue in my 418 with what you are talking about, cold it doesnt tap at all but once the oil gets hot(thin) it starts tapping, and a WOT run makes it sound like its about to fall apart. If its not teh o-ring on the pump then you got me stumped. If it is a chewed o-ring then make sure when you put the new one to put a bunch of oil on it and the intake of the pump so it slides in nice and easy.