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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 10:28 AM
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i have recently seen a bunch of people running forged stock displacement shortblocks. i can see the benefit of this if you are running boost, nitrous, or high compression race motors, but why on a street car running NA? is there any other added benefit? wouldnt the heavier forged rotating assembly and heavier weight only do harm? thanks

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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 12:20 PM
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the forged internals will spin up much higher, plus the flat top pistons usually have valve reliefs already in them for running larger cams. Not to mention it allows them the choice of upgrading to FI of N2O at a later date.
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the forged internals will spin up much higher, plus the flat top pistons usually have valve reliefs already in them for running larger cams. Not to mention it allows them the choice of upgrading to FI of N2O at a later date.
+1 stock rodbolts don't like high rpms .
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All of the above are true..
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one more question: from my understanding, would it make sense to boost up the compression with a forged motor. or would the fuel be the limiting factor? i bet you could make a crazy responsive motor with a forged shortblock and some AFRs

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+1 stock rodbolts don't like high rpms .
speaking from experience?
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Originally Posted by qwikz28
one more question: from my understanding, would it make sense to boost up the compression with a forged motor. or would the fuel be the limiting factor? i bet you could make a crazy responsive motor with a forged shortblock and some AFRs


speaking from experience?
no, i'm in the spun rod bearing club another problem that seems to be way too common.with a forged shortblock you will actually lose alittle cr if you go with a flat top because most of the pistons either has an -2 or -4 cc dish for the valve reliefs so you will need a smaller cc head to make up the difference.
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no, i'm in the spun rod bearing club another problem that seems to be way too common.with a forged shortblock you will actually lose alittle cr if you go with a flat top because most of the pistons either has an -2 or -4 cc dish for the valve reliefs so you will need a smaller cc head to make up the difference.
damn... sounds good. thanks for the insight
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Would there be any difference in wear compared to say a lsx stock short block? As in lasting another 100k+ miles?
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Originally Posted by slow trap
no, i'm in the spun rod bearing club another problem that seems to be way too common.with a forged shortblock you will actually lose alittle cr if you go with a flat top because most of the pistons either has an -2 or -4 cc dish for the valve reliefs so you will need a smaller cc head to make up the difference.
Although some aftermarket pistons will be .010, .012 or even .015 out of the hole, which could potentially make up for a small pocket.
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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 08:37 PM
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you will never notice the drop in CR from the valve reliefs, and you will need them with that bigger cam (surely you're not going to build a motor and replace the cam with a stock grind are you?).

why forged? 'cuase peace of mind sure beats the hell out of peice if con rod through the oil pan.
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the stock ls1 compression is 10.1 right? whats the highest compression you can go on pump gas? i have a project car in mind i would love to throw a high compression forged motor into
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Old Nov 1, 2006 | 08:56 PM
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We built SBC a few years back , it has a little over 10,000 street miles currently , idles in traffic no problem

heres some specs
350 4bolt block
4.030'' Federal mogul forged 8.5:1 pistons
scat h beams 6.0
scat nodular iron crank 3.48

CompNitroushp Hyd flat tappet 224/234 .500''/ .530'' 113 Lsa
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Weind 6-71 roots supercharger 12-14psi psi 93 octane
2 625 cfm carter afb carbs


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2.73 stock 8.5 10 bolt

Engine was in a 3/4 ton lwb 79 chevy truck,has 10,000 + daily driven rain /shine miles , expect a lot more to come

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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 01:03 AM
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Another reason is if you are building up a motor forged is the only choice for pistons as there are no Hyper oversized pisons made and if a hone won't get it done then you have to buy forged.
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Old Nov 2, 2006 | 02:32 PM
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short answer. there is no benifit
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