Why all the Vindicator talk?
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Is that like the normal saying "mix and match"? LOL! Easy man. Vengeance is new on the scene, and I am curious about the product and why the hype. Nothing wrong with that. You talk like they're some long-time LSx engine gurus.
Originally Posted by ls1muscle
Because dyno numbers sell.
When people see 445 rwhp cam only with an ls6 intake, Vengeance probably had to hire an extra employee to handle the phone calls, email, about this cam
When people see 445 rwhp cam only with an ls6 intake, Vengeance probably had to hire an extra employee to handle the phone calls, email, about this cam
Kinda funny huh!
MY 408 n20 motor made only 510 rwhp on the mustang dyno.ITs a GD turd i should sell it all and get a vengance setup. LOL
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Originally Posted by LS1rulz
Is that like the normal saying "mix and match"? LOL! Easy man. Vengeance is new on the scene, and I am curious about the product and why the hype. Nothing wrong with that. You talk like they're some long-time LSx engine gurus.
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Originally Posted by Mike@TEA
You are right the name "Vengeance" is new on the scene, BUT the guys who run it have been working on the LSx's as long as anybody. IMO they are "LSx engine Guru's" they have probably run as many or more combo's than anybody on these boards. It appears to me they have found a camshaft profile that just plain and simple works and makes power in almost everything it gets put in! If you build a product that really delivers it will sell itself, maybe that's where all the hype is coming from!
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The main reason I'm asking is I'm considering sticking it in a future build. I'm wondering how it would work with a 383. I'll have to get some major reliefs in my pistons to make up for my milled heads anyway, so PTV shouldn't be an issue.
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I wasnt saying you HAVE to match X brand heads with X brand cam. I was saying that choosing the right combo instead of choosing J heads that make good power with J cam and then match J cam with X cam because X cam made awesome power with X heads. Doesnt work that way.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
I agree, however, that cam has too tight PTV clearance in cam only application and it would be wiser to flycut and run thinner gasket/mill to do this combo properly. (With GM castings that is)
I keep expecting my car to blow up with all the comments I see about fly cutting with this cam.
I asked Ron when I bought it, he said no need to flycut. If he had said it would be a good idea, I would have, but he said no need.
Thats why the Vindicator II was created.. it gave em .30 more thousandths to work with. Its on a 113+1 unlike the Original Vindicator which is a 112+4 and Very tight on the ptv clearances. But I ran the vindicator I for about 8 months with a stock ls1 intake and 3.42 gears. Loved it,6th gear was useless at cruising speed(65mph). But now with 3.90's and the Vindicator II going in soon , i cant wait !!
I went 11.70's at 120 with my MS4 cam only and a ls6 intake. While at the track on the first pass I must have broken my valve springs because it would not rev over 6k. By the time I had them replaced and retuned, it rained at the track and then i had to work forced several weekends after... anyways my point is with the right setup any of the big cams can run the numbers.
Yes I was full weight, 12 bolt etc etc...
Also my car didn't make those kinds of numbers on the dyno, I was 405 corrected and I got a load of **** on here cuz I dynoed "low" ....
Good that you know that..
So are Comp lobes the best in almost every situation?
What is your reasoning on offering 3 different LSA's for the same lobes?
Do you discuss with the customer which set of valve events would be best for his combo?
Just trying to get a feel here..
To back up the Vindicator, which I feel I should have gotten but didn't have it in my budget to get the Trickflows with it. Anyway, hear are the #'s an aquitance of mine ran-
6.81 @ 100.7 best 660' pass. Best 660' MPH 102.18. 10.76 @ 126 best 1320'
I know that car still has a little left in it also. Not bad at all
6.81 @ 100.7 best 660' pass. Best 660' MPH 102.18. 10.76 @ 126 best 1320'
I know that car still has a little left in it also. Not bad at all
my opinion:
vengeance racing - i don't care how long they've been around, i see more of their posts in the DYNO SECTION than any other sponsor. the combinations they put together run good, period. on the dyno, at the track, on the street - whatever. they run hard. there is no disputing that.
the vindicator cam - i have been researching lsx cams for years. i am educated on how an engine works and i have also been around drag racing all of my life. i was raised on a b stock automatic chevelle. with that being said - the cam makes great numbers, can be tuned to tolerate 342 gears, and can be installed dot to dot with no problems (so far). what more do you want from a f*cking 240+ duration cam that is proven to make 400+whp?
vengeance racing - i don't care how long they've been around, i see more of their posts in the DYNO SECTION than any other sponsor. the combinations they put together run good, period. on the dyno, at the track, on the street - whatever. they run hard. there is no disputing that.
the vindicator cam - i have been researching lsx cams for years. i am educated on how an engine works and i have also been around drag racing all of my life. i was raised on a b stock automatic chevelle. with that being said - the cam makes great numbers, can be tuned to tolerate 342 gears, and can be installed dot to dot with no problems (so far). what more do you want from a f*cking 240+ duration cam that is proven to make 400+whp?
Why is it that everyone on this board is talking so big about the Vindicator cam lately? I have looked at it and from what I understand, it's just a G5X4 with a wider LSA. Why are people acting like it's revolutionary and new and exciting? I've not read a lot on it... just what I see in passing. So I think I'm missing some information on it. All you guys loving on the Vindicator, what's the scoop that you're so into it over the G5X4?
I'm not a big baller or nothing like that but if you want to have a sweet setup just save up. There's a lot of ppl who are impatient and just go for the budget stuff. My car has been down since Mar of 07. I wish Vengeance was closer so they can tune but i'm taking it to LGM. Which they charge in arm and leg for a tune but I should have results from another shop to add to this thread here in a couple of months. I also have a moser 9in and will also have track times. But almost done!
While shops CAN manipulate dyno #s, HONEST shops do not.... Also, DynoJets are calibrated to be within 1% variance from one dyno to the next IF the calibration is kept up to date and accurate. Keep in mind, alot of people dont drag race... Some guys are hard core street racers and some just chase dyno #s... EVERYONE does not go to the track and as said in this thread over half the people modding their engines have zero drivetrain upgrades which make big power absolutely useless...
Dont get me wrong, Im not making excuses... Our DYNO #s have been backed up by quite a few TRACK #s over and over again... 347Fairless is running 121mph in a stock/full weight car cam only... We have quite a few guys running the Vindicator/TFS heads trapping 102/103 in the 1/8 at their local tracks... We have a 98 with 140,000 miles on it with Stage II TEA heads/Vindicator running 10.70s in positive DA...
So yea, there might be some hype on the Vindicator right now, but their are valid reasons for the hype.... We all know dyno #s sell, but so do track times,customer service, quality, honesty, and reputation... All of which we strive to have the best in the business...
Lastly, #s @ .050 mean very little when looking at overall specs of a camshaft
Dont get me wrong, Im not making excuses... Our DYNO #s have been backed up by quite a few TRACK #s over and over again... 347Fairless is running 121mph in a stock/full weight car cam only... We have quite a few guys running the Vindicator/TFS heads trapping 102/103 in the 1/8 at their local tracks... We have a 98 with 140,000 miles on it with Stage II TEA heads/Vindicator running 10.70s in positive DA...
So yea, there might be some hype on the Vindicator right now, but their are valid reasons for the hype.... We all know dyno #s sell, but so do track times,customer service, quality, honesty, and reputation... All of which we strive to have the best in the business...
Lastly, #s @ .050 mean very little when looking at overall specs of a camshaft
