The time has finally come for a cam
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The time has finally come for a cam I am going with the TSP 5.3 stage 2.5 heads and a torquer v3 cam
It should provide me with good driveability with 3.73s in a M6
I am looking to get a good 430RWHP, I wont be disappointed with 420, but still 450rwhp was my original goal, so Im looking for 430rwhp
I have LTs, lid and ported T/B and underdrive pulley and aluminum flywheel, but my moser 12 bolt 3.73 will eat some HP, but I do have an aluminum driveshaft as well.. I also dont have cats..
Hopefully this will allow me to reach my goal.
Cr will be roughlt 10.7 : 1
will I reach my power goals?
any other suggestions?
Im going with the TSP packagae because its cheap and Im only gonna run it this way for 20,000 miles and then its time for a 7 liter engine. My car has 87,xxx miles on it now.
It should provide me with good driveability with 3.73s in a M6
I am looking to get a good 430RWHP, I wont be disappointed with 420, but still 450rwhp was my original goal, so Im looking for 430rwhp
I have LTs, lid and ported T/B and underdrive pulley and aluminum flywheel, but my moser 12 bolt 3.73 will eat some HP, but I do have an aluminum driveshaft as well.. I also dont have cats..
Hopefully this will allow me to reach my goal.
Cr will be roughlt 10.7 : 1
will I reach my power goals?
any other suggestions?
Im going with the TSP packagae because its cheap and Im only gonna run it this way for 20,000 miles and then its time for a 7 liter engine. My car has 87,xxx miles on it now.
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Also does this cam sound too good to be true?
Thunder Racing Custom Camshaft
"CheaTR" - 214/230 .601/.575 117 LSA. Off Idle-6800 RPM Power Band. Broad power range. Works well with stock exhaust manifolds and catalytic converters. Stock like idle. Minor tuning required on automatic transmission cars. Responds very well to nitrous. Due to the fast ramp rate of this camshaft, the use of 1.8 rockers is not recommended. Double valve springs and titanium retainers required for this cam.
Thunder Racing Custom Camshaft
"CheaTR" - 214/230 .601/.575 117 LSA. Off Idle-6800 RPM Power Band. Broad power range. Works well with stock exhaust manifolds and catalytic converters. Stock like idle. Minor tuning required on automatic transmission cars. Responds very well to nitrous. Due to the fast ramp rate of this camshaft, the use of 1.8 rockers is not recommended. Double valve springs and titanium retainers required for this cam.
Sounds good...your CR should be around 10.75 -1...I have the same heads and an MS3 and that is what mine is (stock gaskets). If you want to see that 450 wheel mark, you may need to step up to a FAST 90 and larger 90 mm TB, an EWP may even help at this point but is not neccesary....you may also want to try a cutout...to free up some power through that catback..just a though
I think 430 wheel MAX is attainable with a nice tune...good luck!
Erik
I think 430 wheel MAX is attainable with a nice tune...good luck!
Erik
Originally Posted by LSGunZ28
Also does this cam sound too good to be true?
Thunder Racing Custom Camshaft
"CheaTR" - 214/230 .601/.575 117 LSA. Off Idle-6800 RPM Power Band. Broad power range. Works well with stock exhaust manifolds and catalytic converters. Stock like idle. Minor tuning required on automatic transmission cars. Responds very well to nitrous. Due to the fast ramp rate of this camshaft, the use of 1.8 rockers is not recommended. Double valve springs and titanium retainers required for this cam.
Thunder Racing Custom Camshaft
"CheaTR" - 214/230 .601/.575 117 LSA. Off Idle-6800 RPM Power Band. Broad power range. Works well with stock exhaust manifolds and catalytic converters. Stock like idle. Minor tuning required on automatic transmission cars. Responds very well to nitrous. Due to the fast ramp rate of this camshaft, the use of 1.8 rockers is not recommended. Double valve springs and titanium retainers required for this cam.
Not at all, that is actually a very good grind if you ask me for someone who is loking for a little "pep in their step". The durations aren't HUGE, but so what! The lift is nice but won't require a completely free flowing exhaust to get all of your $'s worth, that ws apparently the idea behind the cheater--- and like they said, this cam would be great with any kind of power adder...either FI or N20...
and oh yeah, don't forget about the 117 LSA....SHHHHHHHHHH
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Originally Posted by ERIK@MASPORT
Sounds good...your CR should be around 10.75 -1...I have the same heads and an MS3 and that is what mine is (stock gaskets). If you want to see that 450 wheel mark, you may need to step up to a FAST 90 and larger 90 mm TB, an EWP may even help at this point but is not neccesary....you may also want to try a cutout...to free up some power through that catback..just a though
I think 430 wheel MAX is attainable with a nice tune...good luck!
Erik
I think 430 wheel MAX is attainable with a nice tune...good luck!
Erik
excellent.
If I went with a thinner gasket, would there be clearance issues?
Also I have a 2002 so I already have a LS6 manifold.
But I dunno if I wanna go with the fast 90 and a bigger T/B just yet, due to financial reasons.. I may get it in the near future, however...
How much less drivable is the MS3 compared to a Torquer v3 in a DD?
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Originally Posted by ERIK@MASPORT
Not at all, that is actually a very good grind if you ask me for someone who is loking for a little "pep in their step". The durations aren't HUGE, but so what! The lift is nice but won't require a completely free flowing exhaust to get all of your $'s worth, that ws apparently the idea behind the cheater--- and like they said, this cam would be great with any kind of power adder...either FI or N20...
and oh yeah, don't forget about the 117 LSA....SHHHHHHHHHH
and oh yeah, don't forget about the 117 LSA....SHHHHHHHHHH
Originally Posted by LSGunZ28
excellent.
If I went with a thinner gasket, would there be clearance issues?
Also I have a 2002 so I already have a LS6 manifold.
But I dunno if I wanna go with the fast 90 and a bigger T/B just yet, due to financial reasons.. I may get it in the near future, however...
How much less drivable is the MS3 compared to a Torquer v3 in a DD?
If I went with a thinner gasket, would there be clearance issues?
Also I have a 2002 so I already have a LS6 manifold.
But I dunno if I wanna go with the fast 90 and a bigger T/B just yet, due to financial reasons.. I may get it in the near future, however...
How much less drivable is the MS3 compared to a Torquer v3 in a DD?
You could certainly run a thinner gasket, which would bring you closer to 11.0- 1 CR, however, you always want to measure your PTV clearance when running things like that (just to be safe)...I really don't think the $ spent on thinner gaskets would make a difference in the seat of the pants though...
You may want to have someone figure out your DCR and SCR with thinner gaskets as opposed to stock gaskets and see what would benefit you more on the street...LS2Bait who is a member on here is very helpful with that kind of thing...his name is Tommy, ask him, he'll help!
Originally Posted by LSGunZ28
holy crap I never even saw that.. wow a 117 lsa cam is a pretty low end powermaker.
Actually, the 117 is a higher LSA and will bring the power band upward a bit, to a point. The real reason TR chose to go with that high of an LSA was probably more for idle quality ( I am assuming here). A 117 LSA will sound almost stock...the whole point of a "cheatr" cam....
As far as driveability goes with either cam, it will really comes down to the tune! Make sure whoever tunes your car TAKES THEIR TIME! Make sure he or she will have at least 3-4 hours on a dyno and street is neccesary to iron out all the kinks...even with a TV3 cam, a lot needs to be tweaked....no tune will ever be 100% accurate, but you can get em 99.9%....
What are the specs of the Torquer V3?
Good luck with your set up man, I think it is going to be VERY stout!
Erik
PS- the LS6 manny you have will do just fine...but, again, if you are hoping for PEAK numnbers, then you have to pay for them my friend...life sucks that way
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Originally Posted by ERIK@MASPORT
You could certainly run a thinner gasket, which would bring you closer to 11.0- 1 CR, however, you always want to measure your PTV clearance when running things like that (just to be safe)...I really don't think the $ spent on thinner gaskets would make a difference in the seat of the pants though...
You may want to have someone figure out your DCR and SCR with thinner gaskets as opposed to stock gaskets and see what would benefit you more on the street...LS2Bait who is a member on here is very helpful with that kind of thing...his name is Tommy, ask him, he'll help!
Actually, the 117 is a higher LSA and will bring the power band upward a bit, to a point. The real reason TR chose to go with that high of an LSA was probably more for idle quality ( I am assuming here). A 117 LSA will sound almost stock...the whole point of a "cheatr" cam....
As far as driveability goes with either cam, it will really comes down to the tune! Make sure whoever tunes your car TAKES THEIR TIME! Make sure he or she will have at least 3-4 hours on a dyno and street is neccesary to iron out all the kinks...even with a TV3 cam, a lot needs to be tweaked....no tune will ever be 100% accurate, but you can get em 99.9%....
What are the specs of the Torquer V3?
Good luck with your set up man, I think it is going to be VERY stout!
Erik
PS- the LS6 manny you have will do just fine...but, again, if you are hoping for PEAK numnbers, then you have to pay for them my friend...life sucks that way
You may want to have someone figure out your DCR and SCR with thinner gaskets as opposed to stock gaskets and see what would benefit you more on the street...LS2Bait who is a member on here is very helpful with that kind of thing...his name is Tommy, ask him, he'll help!
Actually, the 117 is a higher LSA and will bring the power band upward a bit, to a point. The real reason TR chose to go with that high of an LSA was probably more for idle quality ( I am assuming here). A 117 LSA will sound almost stock...the whole point of a "cheatr" cam....
As far as driveability goes with either cam, it will really comes down to the tune! Make sure whoever tunes your car TAKES THEIR TIME! Make sure he or she will have at least 3-4 hours on a dyno and street is neccesary to iron out all the kinks...even with a TV3 cam, a lot needs to be tweaked....no tune will ever be 100% accurate, but you can get em 99.9%....
What are the specs of the Torquer V3?
Good luck with your set up man, I think it is going to be VERY stout!
Erik
PS- the LS6 manny you have will do just fine...but, again, if you are hoping for PEAK numnbers, then you have to pay for them my friend...life sucks that way
Thanks for all the advice.
In automotive school, as a general rule of thumb, we learned that the numerically higher the LSA, the lower the torque curve is made...
and the specs on the TV3 are
231/234 .643"/.598" 111 LSA
and the magic stick 3 is:
Magic Stick V.3 237/242 .603/.609" 112 LSA standard