Dont want to overcam
01-03-2008, 12:09 AM
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Dont want to overcam I drive a 98 TA with lid, Longtubes, and 3" exhaust.
In your guys' opinions, what is the biggest cam I can run without overcamming using stock heads, ls1 intake manifold, and stock 3.42 gears (6M)?
Ill upgrade this stuff later (or now if i HAVE to
) but weighing my options and my wallet.... I cant do it all right now, and Im thinking a moderate to larger cam would give me better performance even without these things than doing either of those mods without the cam.
this is the cam im looking at http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=169&catid=44
but ive also looked at the 229 and 224 cams, heard good things about the 224. so EVEN THOUGH it would be better overall to do the ls6 intake swap, will one of these cams work well, or will I end up overcamming and falling flat on my face at the strip?
In your guys' opinions, what is the biggest cam I can run without overcamming using stock heads, ls1 intake manifold, and stock 3.42 gears (6M)?
Ill upgrade this stuff later (or now if i HAVE to
) but weighing my options and my wallet.... I cant do it all right now, and Im thinking a moderate to larger cam would give me better performance even without these things than doing either of those mods without the cam. this is the cam im looking at http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=169&catid=44
but ive also looked at the 229 and 224 cams, heard good things about the 224. so EVEN THOUGH it would be better overall to do the ls6 intake swap, will one of these cams work well, or will I end up overcamming and falling flat on my face at the strip?
01-03-2008, 02:52 AM
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i recommend the tsp's torquer v.2, and i just happen to have one for sale
i think the ms3 and vindicator are some of the bigger cams people run without clearance issues.
i think the ms3 and vindicator are some of the bigger cams people run without clearance issues.
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Add a few bolt ons especially an LS6 intake before you get a cam along with some 4.10's, otherwise your gonna be pissed with the shitty numbers you will be getting
The LS1 intake simply doesn't flow worth a **** above 4500 RPM
With any cam especially a you will be loosing out on at least 15RWHP over a simple 1.5 hour 300$ intake swap
With stock gears the cam will lag to get in the powerband and when it finally gets there the LS1 intake chokes the **** out of it
Its a lose lose situation...
My .02 cents
The LS1 intake simply doesn't flow worth a **** above 4500 RPM
With any cam especially a you will be loosing out on at least 15RWHP over a simple 1.5 hour 300$ intake swap
With stock gears the cam will lag to get in the powerband and when it finally gets there the LS1 intake chokes the **** out of it
Its a lose lose situation...
My .02 cents
01-03-2008, 09:44 AM
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yea when you can upgrade to the ls6 manifold just to optimize. anyways, thats not what the thread is about...im partial to the f13 and i also like that torquer v2 as well as stated before. ive heard really good things about both.
01-03-2008, 09:45 AM
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actually, thats exactly what its about. so your saying I wont be happy with a cam swap unless I swap the intake? people had to have been doing swaps before the ls6 was in production, what were they using then? anybody have any numbers to compare the 2 intakes? or is there anyone around here who has done a cam with the stock gears and intake and had good results (<01)
01-03-2008, 09:56 AM
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Add a few bolt ons especially an LS6 intake before you get a cam along with some 4.10's, otherwise your gonna be pissed with the shitty numbers you will be getting
The LS1 intake simply doesn't flow worth a **** above 4500 RPM
With any cam especially a you will be loosing out on at least 15RWHP over a simple 1.5 hour 300$ intake swap
With stock gears the cam will lag to get in the powerband and when it finally gets there the LS1 intake chokes the **** out of it
Its a lose lose situation...
My .02 cents
The LS1 intake simply doesn't flow worth a **** above 4500 RPM
With any cam especially a you will be loosing out on at least 15RWHP over a simple 1.5 hour 300$ intake swap
With stock gears the cam will lag to get in the powerband and when it finally gets there the LS1 intake chokes the **** out of it
Its a lose lose situation...
My .02 cents
this is the best post ive seen so far. I know what is recommended, i just want to know about the trade off if i dont. so does everybody agree that a cam swap without gears and intake, even if its a milder cam like the torquer v2 or 224R, is a waste of my time and money?
01-03-2008, 10:15 AM
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this would be your best bet... tell us you goals, budget, if your doing the work yourself, and if its a dd?
if it were me....
1) ls6 intake 400$
2) 224/224 tr cam w/ timing chain, pushrods, retainers, springs ls6 ported oil pump 1200$
3) a good tire like a mt et street radial 350-450$
4) then id get a new tranny or rear end b/c they most likely wont hold up
if it were me....
1) ls6 intake 400$
2) 224/224 tr cam w/ timing chain, pushrods, retainers, springs ls6 ported oil pump 1200$
3) a good tire like a mt et street radial 350-450$
4) then id get a new tranny or rear end b/c they most likely wont hold up
01-03-2008, 10:37 AM
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its a DD, my budget is right around 1k at the moment. I have all around 12way adj qa1 shocks/struts, LCAs w/ brackets, LT's, lid, 275 nitto's, and a 125 shot.
so what im hearing is with a smaller cam the intake is more important than gears? because if i do gears I want to do the whole rear, instead of putting a weaker gear in an already weak rearend.
how important is the oil pump and the random valvetrain stuff like retainers and locks? the tsp kit comes with springs and pushrods, can I reuse the stock retainers on a cam swap, or is that not advised?
so what im hearing is with a smaller cam the intake is more important than gears? because if i do gears I want to do the whole rear, instead of putting a weaker gear in an already weak rearend.
how important is the oil pump and the random valvetrain stuff like retainers and locks? the tsp kit comes with springs and pushrods, can I reuse the stock retainers on a cam swap, or is that not advised?
01-03-2008, 10:54 AM
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i needed chastised today at some point.
intake manifold comparsion: http://www.performancetrucks.net/for...d.php?t=392089
with a cam..it will perform only as well as its supporting mods..get the intake manifold over the gears if you must choose.
often, ppl replace retainers with titanium retainers if they are wishing to rev higher or run at higher rpms. for myself, i did indeed go with the titanium retainers as these are important parts for your engine. i would reccommend it, but ive seen ppl use their stock retainers too.
how many miles is on the oil pump you have right now?
thanks.
shane
intake manifold comparsion: http://www.performancetrucks.net/for...d.php?t=392089
with a cam..it will perform only as well as its supporting mods..get the intake manifold over the gears if you must choose.
often, ppl replace retainers with titanium retainers if they are wishing to rev higher or run at higher rpms. for myself, i did indeed go with the titanium retainers as these are important parts for your engine. i would reccommend it, but ive seen ppl use their stock retainers too.
how many miles is on the oil pump you have right now?
thanks.
shane
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01-03-2008, 10:57 AM
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you'll be missing 15 hp+ with the ls1 intake, gears aren't that important but will help, and I would save and do it right....
intake
cam and assc.
underdrive pulley
*depending on miles
*lifters
*head gaskets
*head bolts
total should be around $1400-$1700 and a very long weekend
intake
cam and assc.
underdrive pulley
*depending on miles
*lifters
*head gaskets
*head bolts
total should be around $1400-$1700 and a very long weekend
01-03-2008, 12:58 PM
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actually, thats exactly what its about. so your saying I wont be happy with a cam swap unless I swap the intake? people had to have been doing swaps before the ls6 was in production, what were they using then? anybody have any numbers to compare the 2 intakes? or is there anyone around here who has done a cam with the stock gears and intake and had good results (<01)
01-03-2008, 03:43 PM
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Tyler, i just ordered my cam today from Thunder Racing. I ended up ordering a 226/230 .609/.588 on a 111+1 LSA. I had this spec'd out with the assumption that i am goin gwith LS6 heads. Which I will be doing along with the cam. Just a stock set. LS6 heads, with .040 gasket, gives me good PTV, and a DCR of 8.50:1 and a SCR of 10.96:1. Was told with a good tune this should net 75-85 rwhp, and will only improve with better flowing heads.