Well you should try the dyno section for one thing, results are listed there by the thousands. Ball park numbers are anywhere from 488-600+ hp, your asking way to vague a question.
We have people with our 408 who put down between 500 and 600+ rwhp depending on heads and cam. You can get a 347 to put down 550 if you do it right and you can have a 454 that only puts out 540. Way to many variables.

 

LOL, that LT1 shortblock will make as much power as a stock LS1. no wonder its under 2 grand.

 

While your there upgrade to Callies and a Wiseco piston and good ring pack and whats the cost? I didnt say I had the cheapest 408 for sale did I? I said best quality for the money.

I offer Eagle for less money if someone wants Eagle I will do it. I have a customer right now that is going with the Eagle option as a matter of fact. BUT I wont use a cheaper piston or rings or bearings. I'm not looking to produce the least expensive 408 I can. I have the one of finest builders in the country producing my engine for me and no steps are left untaken. Mass produced engines are not of the same caliber and quality.

 

We build quality short-blocks and are still able to offer some of the best pricing in the industry. Each motor we build is fully balanced and blue-printed by one of the best "race" machine-shops in the country. They specialize in high-performance engines, not your average run-of-the-mill street application. Depending what you are doing with the motor, we can get you setup with a short-block starting at just under $3500 + crate, cradle, and shipping. Let me know what your plans are for the build and we can get you setup with a quality short-block that will meet and exceed your needs! Feel free to give me a call or shoot me a PM with any questions or concerns!

Jon Reynolds
Texas Speed & Performance

 

Diamond Racing builds pistons exclusively for TSP. Each "shelf-piston" we use is a 2618 forging. Our shelf pistons are exlusives that are built specifically for us. We dictate CH, crown thickness, etc. based on what we, as well as Diamond, know that works. The majority of our boost-specific pistons come standard on an in-board forging with the H-13 tool steel wrist pins. We could stick a standard pin in, but it would be cutting corners. We have numerous customers using these pistons making 1000+ RWHP! Every motor we sell now comes with a Total Seal Ring Set with a plasma-moly/napier ring set. They work great on N/A motors or with mild nitrous/boost applications. For guys loooking for more aggressive setups we do offer upgrades to a Total Seal Ring Set with a stainless steel top ring. We made these changes with no rise in cost to our customers. This is one of MANY things that we do to make our short-blocks one of the best on the market.

We have built motors with everything from Eagle, Callies, Lunati, Oliver, etc. depending on the customer's needs. Yes, the base motors are built using Diamond pistons and Eagle H-beams. However, the average customer is not looking for a build to handle 20lbs.+ of boost or a 300+ hit of nitrous. In those cases, we absolutely have the ability to build motors to meet those needs while offering a fair price. When any of our stocking pistons will not handle the abuse of the customer's setup, we will build a forged custom piston set to accomodate the setup. We have literally over a thousand short-blocks running in cars all over world with ZERO issues. We have used Diamond pistons from day one without any issues whatsoever. Every set of their pistons start life as a 2618 forging. Can you show me one instance where a Diamond piston has failed and it was not from user error? We don't sell our engines on a bunch of theories. We sell them based on what WE have proven. Exactly how many short-blocks have you sold? What do you consider a "mass production" engine? Do you think these are somehow made on an assembly line? You seem to speak of our engines like you know what you're talking about. Some factual information would be a great addition to you and your customers with all of your claims. EVERY engine we sell is balanced and blueprinted, and we have every build sheet from the very first engine we sold. These are not "slap-together" engines where tolerances are not checked. We are very thorough with every engine we build. We can tell you the main and rod bearing clearances, side rod clearances, ring gap clearances, piston-to-wall clearance, etc. on EVERY engine ever built. You try to talk down the Eagle crankshafts and rods, but that shows your lack of experience. Do you have any idea how much power these rods and cranks will actually handle? We do. We have them running in cars all over the country, we've had them on the engine dyno numerous times, and we run them in our own cars. You're simply wanting to "talk up" what you're selling. We will sell the customer what he or she needs. We have built engines using Lunati cranks, Callies cranks, Lunati & Oliver rods, etc., and we still do depending on what the customer is looking to do with the engine. Being able to offer an affordable short-block does not mean that the machine work or build process is inferior to what your engine builder is or is not doing. We are able to offer great pricing to our customers because we buy all of our parts in bulk. There's a reason we are the #1 distributor of LS-based pistons for Diamond Racing and the #1 distributor for LS-based crank and rods for Eagle. We have the buying power to get a deeper discount, and we pass this along to our customers. Charging more for a product does not make it a better product. We speak from years of experience because we do this for a living. Selling parts for a month does not make you an expert.

Feel free to call with any questions or concerns. Like always, we're here to discuss at any time with anyone.

Jon
Texas Speed & Performance

 

Wow, I did not attack TSP. I did not even suggest TSP was bad. I said if they up-grade to what I'm offering our prices are the same. I never once suggested TSP was inferior, did I?

Not sure how you launch into a tirade Jon but what ever. You really dont want me to and I dont want to get into this with you. I have not interfered with your threads nor have I tried to step on someone who has suggested TSP. I have stated in several thread recently that TSP had great prices and I just sent a customer your way looking for a rotating assembly.

How many engines have I sold? I just posted the offer. You have to start with customer number one dont you? The person bulding them for me has never had an issue in over 600+. His 408's run in the 9's, dont smoke and dont break, dont come apart.

Now dont take that to mean I'm suggesting that yours do because I'm not. I'm also not looking compete with you. You can build them as cheap or expensive as you want, it has nothing to do with my engine and never will.

I'm offering a 408 only. Nothing more, nothing less. What I use for internals has been carefully considered and not just because we got a good deal on them so the cost is what it is. I'm hoping the discerning buyer will know the difference. Now dont freak out again please.

As far as you personal attacks on me that shows how professional you really are. DO you even know what the determing factor of that word is?
In the real corporate world, not in your world.

I have been on here as a consumer for 3 years. $30,000 later who better to know the ins and outs of this board and its vendors and the reality of their products.

I'm selling one engine for the most respected builder this site or any other for that matter has to offer. I'm not spec'ing it, or checking tolerances like you do Jon. I'm just selling it and dealing with the customers.

 

You quoted KingSS about pricing on our site. I can only assume you were still referring to TSP and our site. Not freaking out, simply getting all the info. out to those viewing the thread.

 

LSx F-body will be calling you shortly, he needs a stroker kit. , just got his pm

 

I love this apples to oranges comparison...

Cast crank and pistons $1800 in an LT1 of course its going to be cheaper...

Look just a little further down the page at the forged assembly, you are at $3495, where is the price difference then?

Shane

 

I send everyone I know to Texas Speed for a motor and even our Race car has a Texas Speed custom Motor in it. I also send everyone I know to EPP for Superchargers and tuning once again we drove our Race car to Exotic for tuning. As they are both the best I know at what they do. I offer nothing but the best I can find to my customers. Same as what Blonco is doing he found a very reputable shop do do some great engines for him and is trying to sell some. He is not very good at explaining himself on the internet just yet as we are working on that . Never meant to put down any products as they are very good products just offering something a bit different and we all know how different goes around here.

Have a great day guys
Nate

 

1L = about 61 ci