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Old 05-01-2008, 01:54 PM
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Well supposedly the numbers that I gave them for my lobes were for a 224/234 .. I just did what PredZ told me to, and this is what I got. So not for sure if thats what I was supposed to get or not. Im just waiting on a PM from PredZ to let me know.
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I PM'd you back. We will work something out.

But just out of curiosity, did you give them the full cam specs or just the lobe numbers?
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imo there are so many proven off the shelf cams from our sponsors that work amazing in cam only and h/c setups that paying extra for a custom setup is not worth it. now on a random off wall setup or a boosted h/c app i would definitely go the custom route.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
I PM'd you back. We will work something out.

But just out of curiosity, did you give them the full cam specs or just the lobe numbers?
Ya man, I told them everything.. All the way down to the basics and every lil detail. Even had him repeat it back to me .. Everything was right, but guess it was just an honest mistake, its understandable man. I wasn't for sure if this was the cam you wanted me to have or what. Thats why I was asking lol.
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Actualy it is not a bad grind, kinda like a mini G5x2 (like G5x1.5 LOL)
It has good VEs and 5* overlap, will carry well to 6600. Although a 224 it is actualy a 225.x and being a XFI lobe is acts like a 226+size cam.


I sent you another PM, I am partly to blame, I should be more careful. I'm sorry for the delay this is causing you, but I will help you get $$ or the other cam 230/236 if you still care to do so.

Let me know if what is in the PM suits you or I could contact Thunder Racing, have them cut th 230/236 cam, put it on my CC and have them send it to your address.
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Originally Posted by Tally TransAm
imo there are so many proven off the shelf cams from our sponsors that work amazing in cam only and h/c setups that paying extra for a custom setup is not worth it. now on a random off wall setup or a boosted h/c app i would definitely go the custom route.

You don't necessarily have to pay extra for a custom cam.... I didn't.


On another note..... How many of us have ordered a custom cam spec'd by Pred-Z?? This guy does this not for a personal gain but just because he likes to help and doesn't charge a dime & looks like he's gonna have to come out of pocket because of an honest mistake he made (of course I dont' know all the details), which is the right thing to do. If we all paypal him $10 or so it should cover his expense on a new cam. I feel like getting the specs for my cam from him was well worth that.

*edit* unless he's one of the investors building all these 'islands' in the middle of the ocean over there in Dubai..... in that case he would have plenty of $$ lol
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Thanks IROC, I spec'd a few cams in a similar time frame, and I goofed on the lobe numbers. I did them from memory instead of looking at the charts, TSP did not bother to verify the lobe #s to cam specs at .050 so the
224/234 .610/.598 112+2 LSA was born.

So I goofed, and no I do not have an oil well but I believe in principles and I am partly to blame. So i will help funding another cam for Brentley and we will try selling this one.

(good cam for cars with midlength or LT and quiet catback with cats,
42 IVC (6200 rpm peak), 65>6600 shifts, 5* overlap so some chopchop (like TR 224 112).
It is a nice street grind actualy.
$300 + shipping if anyone interested.
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Mark (PredZ) You are awesome man, just take your time bc i've still gotta get my T56 rebuilt and that wont be ready til next friday. So I prob got 2 weeks before the motor starts getting ready to go back in.

Ya guys this cam is brand new for anyone that may want it. Would work great for somebody out there looking for a nice cam to put in their DD ..

Hey Mark, What you think this cam would trap in the 1/4 in an A4? With the supporting bolt ons (ex. Lts, Cat back, LS6 intake, and DR's). prob something like 112mph or something like that. Should be a nice cam for a DD.
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This is a good point for guys wanting a "custom" grind cam. Camshafts are ordered off cam lobe numbers, not advertised duration and lift. You need to make sure the lobe numbers you are giving are indeed the correct numbers. You can't simply order a 230/236 cam due to the fact there are several different lobe profiles for those durations. It definitely sucks in this instance that the customer got a different cam than what he was expecting but good to see that he's going to get some help for his misfortune. Let me know when you are ready to get the new cam and I'll make sure we get you taken care of with the same pricing.

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Originally Posted by KingSumthn
ok predator lets say your cam beats any other cam by 25 hp. then what happens if since its so good u decide to mass produce them, and now its an off the shelf cam? now all of a sudden its no longer the best because there is more than one of them? how do u think all the off the shelf cams were made? they were custom when the first one was made. they figured out which specs worked best, and then got good results so they mass produced them.
Every cam we currently have as an "off-the-shelf" cam has been tested along with other similar cams to determine which cam we actually wanted to market. I wouldn't say that a custom cam is somehow better than a shelf cam. It really just comes down to the application. That's why we try and stock several different grinds to meet each customer's goals. You can't compare a custom grind 22x duration cam to a MS4. They are on two completely different ends of the market. Obviously the MS4 is more of a peak HP, max effort camshaft while the 22x cam will be more for a daily driven, low-mid HP/TQ cam. Yes the 22x cam will have better low end TQ than the larger cam, but if the customer is at the track every weekend, he/she isn't concerned with what the car is making at 3000 RPM.
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Jon your awesome man, you've helped me out quite a bit lol.. Ya it kinda slows the process down a lil bit but no biggie. Mark is helping me out with this even though he doesn't have to. He's an awesome man and also a man of his work. He's a great asset to this great site.
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Somewhere out there, is a shelf cam to satisfy 95% of all the applications out there. Problem is, they are not all offered at one shop. Typically, what makes the premium you pay for a custom cam worthwhile is the expertise in matching the valve events to your mods and goals. Some shops do a fine job of this already, some do not. For many people on this board, they feel that selecting the proper lobes should be left to the experts. As long as there are people like this on the board, there will be plenty of work for shops to custom grind cams that meet those specific needs.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Custom lets you tailor the cam to your mods, so you build your cam around your purpose and actual mods you have, instead of building your motor/combo around the cam
This is a GREAT answer!
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
Let me know if what is in the PM suits you or I could contact Thunder Racing, have them cut th 230/236 cam, put it on my CC and have them send it to your address.
This is the reason that Marc is such a stand up dude. I honestly dont know one single other person that would be willing to do this! Amazing.



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