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Here's his email address: indacalinc@attbi.com
Dave is a great guy to deal with. He goes by formulation on the board.
Bring that car down to Albuquerque, I would to see that SS run down our strip.
J
Dave is a great guy to deal with. He goes by formulation on the board.
Bring that car down to Albuquerque, I would to see that SS run down our strip.
J
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I am very impressed at the technical prowess of the people replying to this post. I have radical views to looking at things like this. First is 1300hp needed to meet performance goals for your vehicle? Probably not, so back off on power to get some reliability. If that is not a option than o-ring block, copper gasket and grind reciever groove in heads. Next apply nitrous or boost linearly to lower spikes of cylinder pressure that may expose clamping deficiencies.Application of power is just as important as ultimate power number.Stock thickness, unmachined 6.0 heads should have enough structural integrity to handle your needs, cast iron for sure, aluminum maybe.
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you need to talk to other shops like
East Side
Cartech
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I think all have firgured out how to do what you want I heard from one of the guys who had his car done by cartech that EastSide has the parts to do what you what
good luck
East Side
Cartech
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I think all have firgured out how to do what you want I heard from one of the guys who had his car done by cartech that EastSide has the parts to do what you what
good luck
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oh yeah and if you really want to have something to brag about then make some real power naturally aspirated. Anybody can build an engine that will print big numbers with a big shot of spray, but it takes a real builder to make big NA numbers.
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THAT is the silliest thing I have ever read.
So I guess that Warren Johnson, and Greg Anderson are just chumps and any of these power adder engine builders could just dominate Pro-Stock racing if they wanted to but that it wouldnt be as much of a challenge as building turbo, or nitrous engines?
Or maybe Winston Cup engine builders are just hillbillys compared to the power adder guys too. You are probably right I think I will start building WC engines because it is so easy to make power NA.
Oh wait a minute this is the real world where the most competitive forms of Drag racing and Stock car racing in the country have to use NA engines.
For comparisons sake you must understand that with a power adder you have to over come what is being described in this thread. You will never have to overcome such obstacles NA, therefore you will never have as much time or effort in an NA motor as you will a power adder motor. Fact is that to build a motor that will stya together takes more then any NA combo.
You never experience problems like this with NA cars. You can slap any combo in it and make slightly more power then the next guy....but never reach the limits of the block and heads themselves.
Also remember that in a power adder setup you have to build an awesome motor (just like NA guys), plus you have to build it to hold up, and design a system for you power adder. Meaning there are manyt more steps for power adder guys as there are for the NA builder.
In conclusion, you must understand that I am not just speaking of numbers (that is childish) a NA guyt will never make more then a power adder (maxed out). I am saying that it takes more to harness the power and design an engine that will hold up...where as NA doesn't have this problem.
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oh yeah and if you really want to have something to brag about then make some real power naturally aspirated. Anybody can build an engine that will print big numbers with a big shot of spray, but it takes a real builder to make big NA numbers.
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THAT is the silliest thing I have ever read.
So I guess that Warren Johnson, and Greg Anderson are just chumps and any of these power adder engine builders could just dominate Pro-Stock racing if they wanted to but that it wouldnt be as much of a challenge as building turbo, or nitrous engines?
Or maybe Winston Cup engine builders are just hillbillys compared to the power adder guys too. You are probably right I think I will start building WC engines because it is so easy to make power NA.
Oh wait a minute this is the real world where the most competitive forms of Drag racing and Stock car racing in the country have to use NA engines.
For comparisons sake you must understand that with a power adder you have to over come what is being described in this thread. You will never have to overcome such obstacles NA, therefore you will never have as much time or effort in an NA motor as you will a power adder motor. Fact is that to build a motor that will stya together takes more then any NA combo.
You never experience problems like this with NA cars. You can slap any combo in it and make slightly more power then the next guy....but never reach the limits of the block and heads themselves.
Also remember that in a power adder setup you have to build an awesome motor (just like NA guys), plus you have to build it to hold up, and design a system for you power adder. Meaning there are manyt more steps for power adder guys as there are for the NA builder.
In conclusion, you must understand that I am not just speaking of numbers (that is childish) a NA guyt will never make more then a power adder (maxed out). I am saying that it takes more to harness the power and design an engine that will hold up...where as NA doesn't have this problem.
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That is your problem. You keep saying every other manufacturer's motor. (i.e. 302 ford)
You are not going to do that with an LS1 and keep it together. The person that does is going to have umphteen more hours trying to get that then any NA engine builder. You also refer to classes. That is only one class, and by comparison a power adder class can be just as competitive...what you state is merely an opinion (i.e. more competitive).
Also when you talk about pro's. You forget that they have just as much of a time building their Nitrous (etc) cars then NA cars...they don't merely slap something together!
You are not going to do that with an LS1 and keep it together. The person that does is going to have umphteen more hours trying to get that then any NA engine builder. You also refer to classes. That is only one class, and by comparison a power adder class can be just as competitive...what you state is merely an opinion (i.e. more competitive).
Also when you talk about pro's. You forget that they have just as much of a time building their Nitrous (etc) cars then NA cars...they don't merely slap something together!
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I am a private owner who would really like to arrange a group purchase of ARP's 9/16" head studs. One set costs $1,000, but 10 sets only costs approx. $200/each.
See post in Group Purchase section.
See post in Group Purchase section.