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Old Sep 9, 2008 | 09:00 PM
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Just in case anyone is still monitoring, I'll update as soon as I hear something from the Attorney General. I called the dealership yesterday and told them they were gonna paint my bumper anyway. Then i said, "Just so I have this straight, after the thousands of dollars I've spent here, you can't do anything to help me out?" All I got back was, "No." Ooookay, I'll be making some phone calls! I think I'll be renting the billboard across the street and advertising the quality of the work they do...
Oh that would be awsome!!!! I got lucky this year and 2 of the dealers that have F@#%ed me went out of buissness!!! IF only the one that Stuck it in deep and broke it off would Go Under....
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Old Oct 1, 2008 | 12:31 PM
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The only way I could see to fight it would be to point out that losing 2.5 quarts in 4000 miles is a bit excessive (my opinion of course)...if there were no leaks, then the engine was burning it, thus pointing the finger at a poor build...especially if it was stock cubes.
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Depends if it was leaking or burning I would imagine... no one is perfect and the owner shouldn't be so naive to just run blind for 4,000 miles, not ever check the oil on a NEW engine? 100% his own responsibility. Now if he would have checked the oil and seen it was a little low, he could have taken it to them and said figure it out and fix it, but since he lacked standard maintenance on the car, he'll be buying another rebuild.
Well guys, the story is slightly different than some of you understand..... He kept a decent eye on the oil levels for the first oil change at 4k (exlcuding the 500 mile change on a fresh rebuild) on the new motor. The levels weren't low when he changed it the first time around. He "lost 2.5 quarts" in 2000 miles after the first oil change (even though the picture makes it look more like 1.5 quarts low). There were no leaks to be found, per the dealership mechanics. Nothing from the crank case or rear main, nothing near the filter or drain plug. Something happened with this motor in the last 2000 miles with no warning signs. Why should he suspect an oiling problem with a brand new motor <b>AFTER</b> a 4000 mile run with no issues?

I've ridden in (and driven) this car a countless number of times. Never, since the rebuild, did either of us feel comfortable taking it up to 3500 RPMs. We were told that "it needed tuned". Heck, even when he went for the dyno tune, they wouldn't run it to 3500 RPM there because of the ignition issue...... That "issue" turned out to be 3 different brands/types of spark plugs (all gapped different), 2 different sized spark plug wires, and an electrical fault that was blowning fuses from the melted 02 sensor extensions (that I found melted to the header)..... all installed by the highly trained craftsmen at his local dealership.

So really, what we're looking at is a 2000 mile run, give or take, in which the engine decided to reject oil by some unnatural means, or you have a failed engine due to poor quality work, the likes of which the dealership has already displayed on several ocassions. I'm probably more angry about this than Bill is, which is stupid since I don't have a dime in that car; just blood, sweat and time.



It wouldn't surprise me if they neglected to install new main bearings....
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Old Oct 1, 2008 | 09:02 PM
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Is he getting any were with those Duesh Bags Yet???
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 07:10 AM
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One step at a time. I've filed with both the BBB and the Attorney General. I've received the dealership's response to my complaint (which was ridiculous). They actually said, "Mr. Holt brought in $3000 of high performance parts so he could race faster at the local track." 1) I never said that! 2) There is no local track!!! Soooo....Now I reply to their reply...I can see why people just give up. lol.
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 07:40 AM
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I'd fight, they were trying to get out of warranty work on a technicality, without draining it completely, how did they know it was "2.5" quarts low? A lot of oil is kept in the lifter trays and all around the engine. For all you know they could have started the car, THEN took a reading trying to convince you that it was your fault.

Heck anything more than a quart low after 1k miles is already a serious problem, but if within 2k it's drained off that much oil then I would think that is shoddy workmanship of the people who built that motor.
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 09:09 AM
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That is exactly my point. There is no reason to expect an engine to burn this much oil. Especially considering, as Chris said, it didn't use ANY for the first 4k. Something came apart and caused all this.
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 11:53 AM
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You NEVER ask the dealer to build your engine.....and as far as I know by looking at your mods list you have modifications on your motor which would void ur warranty......sometimes even a bone stock car with a lid can have its warranty voided!
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 11:56 AM
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well since i hardly drive my car, i ALWAYS check my oil when i get gas ALWAYS!!!!!

Sorry man for you loss. These motors really like oil
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Originally Posted by toneloc60
Mine takes 6 quarts but I use the truck oil filter.
what oil fiter is that, that you are using?
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Old Oct 2, 2008 | 10:40 PM
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Well that sucks! I have been in simillar situations before. Should not be to hard to prove your side. shoty work shows it self.
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by silvachris1
Well guys, the story is slightly different than some of you understand..... He kept a decent eye on the oil levels for the first oil change at 4k (exlcuding the 500 mile change on a fresh rebuild) on the new motor. The levels weren't low when he changed it the first time around. He "lost 2.5 quarts" in 2000 miles after the first oil change (even though the picture makes it look more like 1.5 quarts low). There were no leaks to be found, per the dealership mechanics. Nothing from the crank case or rear main, nothing near the filter or drain plug. Something happened with this motor in the last 2000 miles with no warning signs. Why should he suspect an oiling problem with a brand new motor <b>AFTER</b> a 4000 mile run with no issues?

I've ridden in (and driven) this car a countless number of times. Never, since the rebuild, did either of us feel comfortable taking it up to 3500 RPMs. We were told that "it needed tuned". Heck, even when he went for the dyno tune, they wouldn't run it to 3500 RPM there because of the ignition issue...... That "issue" turned out to be 3 different brands/types of spark plugs (all gapped different), 2 different sized spark plug wires, and an electrical fault that was blowning fuses from the melted 02 sensor extensions (that I found melted to the header)..... all installed by the highly trained craftsmen at his local dealership.

So really, what we're looking at is a 2000 mile run, give or take, in which the engine decided to reject oil by some unnatural means, or you have a failed engine due to poor quality work, the likes of which the dealership has already displayed on several ocassions. I'm probably more angry about this than Bill is, which is stupid since I don't have a dime in that car; just blood, sweat and time.



It wouldn't surprise me if they neglected to install new main bearings....
well thats a lot more information !
He never said anything about it not being able to go over 3500 rpms or any of some of the other stuff you just said so now I can see where he is coming from.
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Old Oct 3, 2008 | 12:36 PM
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Yeah, always said Chris should've been a lawyer. lol.

But yeah, It's not like I was stupid and just neglected the basics of owning a car. This thing seemed to evaporate out of nowhere. The fact that they reused cam bearings says something!! I didn't know this at the time. Also, I'm willing to bet that their "collapsed lifter" story was a result of the lack of oil pressure. Pressure, as has been stated, that was fine prior to them touching the car.
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Old Nov 3, 2008 | 01:34 PM
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UPDATE: I've went both the BBB and the Attorney General route and the dealership is flat our refusing to help me out at all. I'm now trying to decide if it's worth taking to court or just let it go at this point. I'm about to just say eff it and sell the car and the g6 and get a new g8 gt...
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Old Nov 3, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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UPDATE: I've went both the BBB and the Attorney General route and the dealership is flat our refusing to help me out at all. I'm now trying to decide if it's worth taking to court or just let it go at this point. I'm about to just say eff it and sell the car and the g6 and get a new g8 gt...
I hate watching these crooks get away with this kinda crap. Be nice to stick it to them but If you decide otherwise I guess I could't blame you . It's Alot of time and agrivation.
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UPDATE: I've went both the BBB and the Attorney General route and the dealership is flat our refusing to help me out at all. I'm now trying to decide if it's worth taking to court or just let it go at this point. I'm about to just say eff it and sell the car and the g6 and get a new g8 gt...


Go the court route and buy a G8 GXP while you wait. Then when you win go ahead and buy a stroker motor and drop it in the car...
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UPDATE: For anyone that still cares (I'm sure none of you do) the car is still in pieces and I took it to court and lost. I still suspect some shady **** going on here. The judge admitted to having bought cars and having them serviced at this dealership. I also had a professional engine builder look at the engine, and provide a notarized and signed statement that there was NO WAY this engine failed due to low oil. They judge didn't allow this statement into court because it was "hear say" and since the guy couldn't be there to be cross-examined, he wouldn't allow it. Yet, they allowed a guy testify on the dealership's part, who didn't even work on my car... I got homecooked on this one guys. So now I'm left with a busted car, 6K in debt, and no cash to fix my baby... Still pretty pissed about this, even 2 years later.
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Old May 2, 2010 | 01:55 AM
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Ouch!!!
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Old May 2, 2010 | 01:56 AM
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Yeah, no ****!
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Old May 2, 2010 | 02:12 AM
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Dealership = Theiving ********
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Old May 2, 2010 | 01:35 PM
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That's some bullshit. Thanks for updating.
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