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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 02:27 PM
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I have the LQ4 with the LSA (LS9) heads and was told that I would be in the ballpark of 10:1 and that with this cam, the engine would run like a dog till around 4K.

I just wanted to see if anyone out there was running the MS4 with a sub 11:1 compression. I don't want to mill these heads because sooner or later I will be going turbo and that is the reason I got them.

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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 02:35 PM
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Pretty sure we spoke on the phone earleir. Aside from the terrible compression and being lazy until high RPM's, it physically will not clear without flycutting due to those big 2.165" valves
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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt@Texas-Speed
Pretty sure we spoke on the phone earleir. Aside from the terrible compression and being lazy until high RPM's, it physically will not clear without flycutting due to those big 2.165" valves
Yeah, lol, we talked. I just want to get an idea from those, if any, on how much of a slug their cars are before 4K. I really don't want to mill the heads since the main reason for getting them are for a future turbo setup.

Do'h... I thought you had said the valves were around 2.3+ lol...


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Old Dec 30, 2009 | 02:49 PM
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sounds like you either build it mild for now or go all out for n/a IMO
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Originally Posted by xpndbl3
sounds like you either build it mild for now or go all out for n/a IMO
Yeah mild for now was the idea, just want to have a little fun with it till then, plus I need it up and running for school because I need to commute back and forth to different campuses. I just didn't want it to be such a dog though


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That seems like a ridiculous camshaft choice. Go with something that works for N/A and turbo. I have a Speed Inc TU1 myself (225/225 .581 113+1), and I think it would be a good choice for you too.
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Originally Posted by GMCtrk
That seems like a ridiculous camshaft choice. Go with something that works for N/A and turbo. I have a Speed Inc TU1 myself (225/225 .581 113+1), and I think it would be a good choice for you too.
I don't plan on running the MS4 with the turbo setup, like I said, I was just biding my time till I got the turbo kit together. If it's going to run that bad, I will just get a set of l92 heads and shelf the LSA's till I get the **** for my turbo setup.

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The L92's still will not clear....same sized valves. You're stuck either flycutting the pistons to run that cam with the square port heads, changing to a much smaller camshaft and running those square port heads, or running that cam with a cathedral port head.
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Originally Posted by Matt@Texas-Speed
The L92's still will not clear....same sized valves. You're stuck either flycutting the pistons to run that cam with the square port heads, changing to a much smaller camshaft and running those square port heads, or running that cam with a cathedral port head.
I am not worried about the flycut issue, I am more worried about the compression issue and it running like a pig, lol. I can have the pistons flycut, it's no big deal since I would be replacing them anyways, but to shave the heads, for a temp setup is a little too much. If I shave the heads to give me the 11:1, then I would need some crazy dished piston for the turbo setup.

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^^Not to mention when you mill them so much to get your compression up there, you kill so much head flow and integrity/strength!
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just remember when you fly cut you will lower your compression a tad more.
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I am doing some searching and from what I read there is no need for flycutting with stock heads. I still have my 317's, will these heads work? I guess I would have to get an intake since my LS3 will not fit, lol.

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what is the point of running the ms4? its gonna run like ****. bigger isnt always better.
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Originally Posted by slowlsx
what is the point of running the ms4? its gonna run like ****. bigger isnt always better.
Well the remedy is what I am trying to find out here. I am not building this to squeeze out every last drop of HP, but then again I am not wanting a pig.

I just talked to Matt about replacing the heads and with the LQ4 pistons, he said the 5.3 heads would yield a better cr for the cam.

I just need the car to get me to school right now, but also have a little fun with it too.

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That cam is REALLY close to the cam that I am running in my LS2. Of course I still have the stock 243's which are cathedral ports, but it is only 10.8:1 if I recall correctly. I am making 400ft-lbs @ 3000rpm, and 350ft-lbs @ 2500. I have over 400 all the way to 6000rpm. I have NO problmes blowing the tires off any time I want to.

You did not mention if you were a M6 or stalled A4 (and what stall). That will make a difference. IF you are an A4 and not running a stall, I would think about a different cam.

Get a cheap set of used 243's and a used LS6 intake for now, and you should be OK with that cam.
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Originally Posted by hivoltagedriver
That cam is REALLY close to the cam that I am running in my LS2. Of course I still have the stock 243's which are cathedral ports, but it is only 10.8:1 if I recall correctly. I am making 400ft-lbs @ 3000rpm, and 350ft-lbs @ 2500. I have over 400 all the way to 6000rpm. I have NO problmes blowing the tires off any time I want to.

You did not mention if you were a M6 or stalled A4 (and what stall). That will make a difference. IF you are an A4 and not running a stall, I would think about a different cam.

Get a cheap set of used 243's and a used LS6 intake for now, and you should be OK with that cam.
I am converting to a M6 setup. I was going to go with some 5.3's and my LS1 intake, but I think I will ride it out with the LS9 heads.

Thanks for the reply!


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Well I am going with a different type of cam since I was told that the MS4 and it profile is not conducive to a proper match for my WCCH L92 heads. Not sure what I will be getting, but more than likely a Pat G spec cam

Thanks for the continued interest and sorry to disappoint.

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