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Old Aug 12, 2013 | 11:08 AM
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Hre is pic of a piston that failed. There are 4 others in this engine that are starting to crack also. The application is an endurance racing engine that runs at WOT for extended periods of time. The engine is an lsx454 620 hp crate engine. AFR was 12.2:1, timing 28 deg, air density 2500 ft, fuel was 100LL. We had two seprated engines have the same failure within 20 mins.
I believe that it was was light deto over an sustained time. The engine has 16 hrs on it.

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Old Aug 12, 2013 | 12:13 PM
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Definately too much heat in the cylinder. Too much heat over a sustained period of time will do that. Even at 28* that might be too agressive causing the heat.
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Old Aug 12, 2013 | 02:04 PM
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The fuel is fresh 100LL right from the airport but there could be a little something to that. the first 6 hrs of run time the fuel was 103.8 octane and the rest up until the last 1hr was 105.4 then it was 103.2. I think the timing was the major issue though.
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Old Aug 12, 2013 | 03:43 PM
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what plug.

what was the crank comp.

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Old Aug 12, 2013 | 04:08 PM
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It is just a factory gm crate lsx 454. Not even sure what the cranking compression would be 10.7:1 comp ratio. Peak tq@4900 and we were running it 5700

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Plug fuel and timing all have a big roll in this.
Crank comp also tells a tail in where to start with the tune up.

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Old Aug 12, 2013 | 08:08 PM
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Found this PDF from Rockett Fuels, which corroborates this blurb from a pilot back in 2007...
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Old Aug 13, 2013 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by S10xGN
Found this PDF from Rockett Fuels, which corroborates this blurb from a pilot back in 2007...
Good info there on the octane numbers.
We do data logg some things but we do not have any part throttle to speak of in our application (jet boat)
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Found out some real interesting info regarding the pplugs in this engine. The plugs are ac delco 41-104 or ngk tr4ix. Friggen heat range 4 plug. I can not figure out for the life of me why GM would run such a hot plug in a hi performance crate engine. Does anyone have any insight into this?
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There is your problem I run 6-7 in mine. Most don't load the engine like you are.

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Old Aug 21, 2013 | 05:09 PM
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Got some tr7ix's for it now. Did't really want irridium but I have COP ign so I'll run them.
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