Dart LS next block or GM LSX block?
The 6 bolt blocks are optional on the ERL blocks and work very well. I highly recomend The ERL blocks, they have been rock solid for me. I believe when you factor in the ERL comes ready to assemble you will find there true value. The other thing is ERL has a very high quality machining facility that specializes in producing the LS blocks, it's something that gives me a lot of comfort when dealing with them.
I heard the Dart block will have more fitment issues in an F-body and because of this the ERL or LSX is the way to go. The starter on the Dart is on the opposite side of the stock location of the LS1?
any truth to this? If so then; coupled with better strength and pricing wouldn't the aluminum 5.3L with ERL sleeves and machining be the best option for price quality and fitment for Gen 4 Camaro?
thanks in advance
any truth to this? If so then; coupled with better strength and pricing wouldn't the aluminum 5.3L with ERL sleeves and machining be the best option for price quality and fitment for Gen 4 Camaro?
thanks in advance
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LSX Iron Block has priority main oil system much more efficient
Than erl block but has a 135 lb weight penalty. Both will fit
Like stock compared to Dart. I went with LSX for oiling
Needs, most applications would prioritize weight savings VS
Oiling benefits.
Than erl block but has a 135 lb weight penalty. Both will fit
Like stock compared to Dart. I went with LSX for oiling
Needs, most applications would prioritize weight savings VS
Oiling benefits.
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I'm going with ERL when I move on from using stock bore sizes. I don't see an issue with the oiling.
As good as the LSX block are I can't justify the extra weight.
I do not like the dart blocks not being a proper cross bolted mains setup. I believe this is what gives the LS platform some of it's proven reliability.
As good as the LSX block are I can't justify the extra weight.
I do not like the dart blocks not being a proper cross bolted mains setup. I believe this is what gives the LS platform some of it's proven reliability.
650 rwhp is the goal
RHS LS7 307cc ported FRH
Crower rockers
FAST 102 ported FRH / NW 102 TB
Cam Motion LLSR
434 cu in (4.00 crank with 4.155 bore)
DP Nitrous Outlet 250 shot with dedicated fuel system (in addition to the N/A rwhp)
I have the entire top half of my engine and now looking to work on the bottom half; Hence, my question on the best block for my build
RHS LS7 307cc ported FRH
Crower rockers
FAST 102 ported FRH / NW 102 TB
Cam Motion LLSR
434 cu in (4.00 crank with 4.155 bore)
DP Nitrous Outlet 250 shot with dedicated fuel system (in addition to the N/A rwhp)
I have the entire top half of my engine and now looking to work on the bottom half; Hence, my question on the best block for my build
my internals will be wiseco, callie ultra I CR and Callie DS crank
$$$ wise they're pretty close so i don't factor in the cost. I would rather work overtime for an extra month or two and get the quality over the here and now.
thanks for the input Tusk, Launch & Navy....
open to more ERL vs LSX opinions.
Dart is a great block but not for F-body so I'm looking to narrowing it down to ERL vs LSX
my 98 Z28, Dart block with 2" LT Kooks will pose some complicated problems in my engine bay compared to the slip in blocks of ERL and/or LSX
open to more ERL vs LSX opinions.
Dart is a great block but not for F-body so I'm looking to narrowing it down to ERL vs LSX
my 98 Z28, Dart block with 2" LT Kooks will pose some complicated problems in my engine bay compared to the slip in blocks of ERL and/or LSX
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thanks for the input Tusk, Launch & Navy....
open to more ERL vs LSX opinions.
Dart is a great block but not for F-body so I'm looking to narrowing it down to ERL vs LSX
my 98 Z28, Dart block with 2" LT Kooks will pose some complicated problems in my engine bay compared to the slip in blocks of ERL and/or LSX
open to more ERL vs LSX opinions.
Dart is a great block but not for F-body so I'm looking to narrowing it down to ERL vs LSX
my 98 Z28, Dart block with 2" LT Kooks will pose some complicated problems in my engine bay compared to the slip in blocks of ERL and/or LSX
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/1763018-445-tfs-245-fast-102-direct-port-4l60e-605-550-n.html
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I heard the Dart block will have more fitment issues in an F-body and because of this the ERL or LSX is the way to go. The starter on the Dart is on the opposite side of the stock location of the LS1?
any truth to this? If so then; coupled with better strength and pricing wouldn't the aluminum 5.3L with ERL sleeves and machining be the best option for price quality and fitment for Gen 4 Camaro?
thanks in advance
any truth to this? If so then; coupled with better strength and pricing wouldn't the aluminum 5.3L with ERL sleeves and machining be the best option for price quality and fitment for Gen 4 Camaro?
thanks in advance
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The oiling system is a nice advantage which is why I looked hard at this block. What keeps me going back to ERL is the machining, precision and reputation. My set up will be 98% street and some track for data more so anything else. ERL blocks really are a work of art...
my internals will be wiseco, callie ultra I CR and Callie DS crank
$$$ wise they're pretty close so i don't factor in the cost. I would rather work overtime for an extra month or two and get the quality over the here and now.
my internals will be wiseco, callie ultra I CR and Callie DS crank
$$$ wise they're pretty close so i don't factor in the cost. I would rather work overtime for an extra month or two and get the quality over the here and now.
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Interested in any updates to this. Looking at doing a new motor. have a 427 LSX now, but stepping it up a bit.
Another LSX block, or Dart Pro SHP. I see the dart guy said direct replacement, but I'm not sure if I'm seeing all the mounting holes for knock sensors, grounds, etc. I don't want to mess with that.
Thinking dart SHP pro block, dark CCW 4" long snount crank, some mast or all pros with big solid roller.
Another LSX block, or Dart Pro SHP. I see the dart guy said direct replacement, but I'm not sure if I'm seeing all the mounting holes for knock sensors, grounds, etc. I don't want to mess with that.
Thinking dart SHP pro block, dark CCW 4" long snount crank, some mast or all pros with big solid roller.
Interested in any updates to this. Looking at doing a new motor. have a 427 LSX now, but stepping it up a bit.
Another LSX block, or Dart Pro SHP. I see the dart guy said direct replacement, but I'm not sure if I'm seeing all the mounting holes for knock sensors, grounds, etc. I don't want to mess with that.
Thinking dart SHP pro block, dark CCW 4" long snount crank, some mast or all pros with big solid roller.
Another LSX block, or Dart Pro SHP. I see the dart guy said direct replacement, but I'm not sure if I'm seeing all the mounting holes for knock sensors, grounds, etc. I don't want to mess with that.
Thinking dart SHP pro block, dark CCW 4" long snount crank, some mast or all pros with big solid roller.
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