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Old Apr 15, 2016 | 08:09 AM
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Fresh engine, done with break-in and took it to a dyno. Didn't spin it more than the stock RPM limits, but at 6500 power was still climbing so now I'm trying to figure out the limits of this engine as I know I should be shifting well after peak power especially if it flattens out and doesn't nosedive.

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forged I beams (lightweight) with ARP bolts
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Cammotion cam with soft lobes sub 600 lift
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trunion stock rockers.
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Old Apr 15, 2016 | 09:13 AM
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I would think you should be able to hit 7500 RPM if everything is set up properly.
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Old Apr 16, 2016 | 12:21 AM
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Intake and cam specs?

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Old Apr 16, 2016 | 06:46 AM
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Probably mid to high 7's.

I shift gears in a cammed LS2 at 7,100-7,200.
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Old Apr 16, 2016 | 07:26 AM
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7800-8000 if all balanced properly and good tolerances

Have spun 2 geniv 6.0 aluminium engines to 7300 and 7500 with stock bottom ends
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Old Apr 16, 2016 | 12:17 PM
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I would push it to 7500rpms and see how she acts. If you still aren't experiencing any valve float or anything like that, then I would keep going until you're happy. With the right cam, intake, and exhaust you could probably spin it all the way to 8000 pretty easily assuming your oil pump is up to the task.
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Old Apr 16, 2016 | 07:52 PM
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A response is worthless without knowing what the heads flow, intake, cam specs.

Any stock intake hits a flow wall at around 6400-6600rpm and flatlines after that.
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Old Apr 16, 2016 | 09:16 PM
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Any stock intake hits a flow wall at around 6400-6600rpm and flat lines after that. +1 on that!
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A response is worthless without knowing what the heads flow, intake, cam specs.
Why? I'm not asking what the RPM I should rev it to or shift at based on power? What does head/intake flow and cam specs have anything to do with the physical limits of the bottom end and valvetrain?

All I'm asking is the *physical* limits of my setup where I can safely spin without blowing it up.

I've already stated that the power was still climbing at 6500 where we stopped the pull.

Any stock intake hits a flow wall at around 6400-6600rpm and flat lines after that. +1 on that!
Again I'm not asking where I should be shifting based on power. I'm well aware of the where my "walls" or limitations are power and flow wise. Those will ultimately be determined by a dyno pull, not calculations based on flow from internet folk. I care about what's the safe limit to pull to without blowing up.

And just because intake flow flatlines at a certain RPM does not mean that power stops climbing. And just because power stops climbing and simply flatlines does not mean that it's time to shift. There are many instances, especially in roadracing which I will be solely doing, where holding onto a gear will help even though the "flow" or power flatlines.


Thank you for all those that have responded so far. Seems the consensus is that I can safely take to at least 7000.

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Your bottom end is good for X amount. Your cable train needs to be setup properly for that high RPM
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Your cable train needs to be setup properly for that high RPM
Right, and I included the details as far as what valvetrain I have.
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Your valvetrain will determine rpm, not the bottom end.
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Originally Posted by redtan
Right, and I included the details as far as what valvetrain I have.
Lol @ some of these responses you're getting.

When you go back to the dyno, you could probably make pulls and each time raise the rev limit 500 RPM or so. Just sneak up on it and see when the curve starts breaking up, then backing off from there.
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Originally Posted by redtan
Right, and I included the details as far as what valvetrain I have.
I apologize, I thought that was your Sig lol not more of your post
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Originally Posted by built408
Your valvetrain will determine rpm, not the bottom end.
This ^.

If set up right, your bottom end is good for 8000ish, ready for a solid roller if anything. Hydraulic lifters can only go so much past 7000 safely. I'd trust your setup to 7500 in short bursts.

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Old Apr 19, 2016 | 09:40 AM
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Hydraulic lifters can only go so much past 7000 safely. I'd trust your setup to 7500 in short bursts.
Not that I plan on doing this much, but what would the theoretical limits be for constant driving eg. road course holding a gear through a turn and stuff?
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Old Apr 19, 2016 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by redtan
Not that I plan on doing this much, but what would the theoretical limits be for constant driving eg. road course holding a gear through a turn and stuff?
I had the same question at one point. I built my own LS7 using Johnson slow leak lifters, BTR cam, TSP heads with titanium intake valves and all titanium retainers and CHE LS7 rockers. If I'm not careful the engine will rev right past 7000. On the road courses I have driven I will turn between 7000-7500 on the straights for a long time because I don't want to end up shifting right before I need to brake. incidentally, I recently discovered a broken valve spring when I just happened to inspect the top end after using the car for street driving. Called TSP and upgraded to PAC springs. Car ran flawlessly at the track last Saturday.
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Originally Posted by redtan
Not that I plan on doing this much, but what would the theoretical limits be for constant driving eg. road course holding a gear through a turn and stuff?
Keep it under 7000 for all but those straight stretches when you just can't afford a shift at all, and you should be fine for a long time. If you plan to road race a lot and you didn't spec the cam specifically for road racing, you can always install it +1 or even +2 to shift the power band (and peak) down 200-300 rpm while picking up some mid range.

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Old Apr 20, 2016 | 07:26 AM
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If you plan to road race a lot and you didn't spec the cam specifically for road racing, you can always install it +1 or even +2 to shift the power band (and peak) down 200-300 rpm while picking up some mid range.
It was spec'd for that type of driving, which is why I went with some very mild lobes and relatively low lift. It's a 226/230 114+3 and with high compression and small runner heads it's got plenty of midrange. I'm more spinning it just for the sake of staying in the same gear rather than pure acceleration which is why I'm focusing more on the physical limits rather than the theoretical limits based on power curve.
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