Stock LSA block limits?
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Stock LSA block limits? i recently dropped a valve in my 08z and planning on either getting an aftermarket block like RHS but don't like the price tag. Instead was thinking about getting an LSA block and some turbos. I Don't want an iron block for the car is gonna be tracked and need the weight savings. Looking to do turbos and track around the 700whp mark and maybe touch 1khp for some drag racing occasionally.
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LSA block will handle 1k with ease, LS9 even more if you can get one, but they're a lot more expensive.
Even LS2 block will have no problem, but as others mention the oil squirters are worth having.
Even LS2 block will have no problem, but as others mention the oil squirters are worth having.
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Good buy. I believe they have billet and pinned main caps already, and of course 12mm head bolt threads vs the usual 11mm.
And oil squirters, and the block is a stronger base material.
All good !
I believe gnx7 likes them too
And oil squirters, and the block is a stronger base material.
All good !
I believe gnx7 likes them too
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I had an LS9 block with stock $100 cast crank making over 1000rwhp for years (Compstar rods/wiseco pistons) and over 1200rwhp at times as well. I finally killed the crank (snapped clean thru the rear rod journal) when showing off and doing a 1-4th rolling burnout... and it finally hooked up showing well over 120mph on the speedo going maybe 60mph. Luckily it only took out the crank and 2 rods.
I now have a K1 forged crank in there for piece of mind. Make sure upon assembled the squirters clear the bottom of the pistons. Some need minor notching.
My engine has MAST LS3 heads with a stock LS3 intake/90mm Cable Holley TB. 160lb injectors with Holley Dominator EFI. The Dart Pro1 LS3 heads would also be a good choice.... but at your power levels in all honesty you could run ported LSA heads and be fine. Under 1000rwhp I don't even think great heads are necessary.... but the better casting of the LSA would be nice.
I now have a K1 forged crank in there for piece of mind. Make sure upon assembled the squirters clear the bottom of the pistons. Some need minor notching.
My engine has MAST LS3 heads with a stock LS3 intake/90mm Cable Holley TB. 160lb injectors with Holley Dominator EFI. The Dart Pro1 LS3 heads would also be a good choice.... but at your power levels in all honesty you could run ported LSA heads and be fine. Under 1000rwhp I don't even think great heads are necessary.... but the better casting of the LSA would be nice.
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Nice find on the LS9 block, was that just the bare block and caps? I am looking to do the same thing as you 700-800hp for street and tracking and mid 900 range if I 1/4 mile it. I went with the LSA block for the oil squirters, nodular mains and better material. My block and 4 bolt heads even with mail and head studs will be my limiting factor but I have seen the LSA blocks hold 1000 if everything else is setup properly. I probably went overkill on the rotating assembly with a 3.625 Callies Magnum crank, Lunati Pro Mod rods, Wiseco -11 cc Pistons with .200 wall DLC pins. These should be good to levels beyond what I can push the block to.
Are you going to run a stock stroke crank? Even if you do be aware that some companies Pistons will still need to be clearanced to clear the oil squirters. Good luck with your LS9 build.
Are you going to run a stock stroke crank? Even if you do be aware that some companies Pistons will still need to be clearanced to clear the oil squirters. Good luck with your LS9 build.
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Nice find on the LS9 block, was that just the bare block and caps? I am looking to do the same thing as you 700-800hp for street and tracking and mid 900 range if I 1/4 mile it. I went with the LSA block for the oil squirters, nodular mains and better material. My block and 4 bolt heads even with mail and head studs will be my limiting factor but I have seen the LSA blocks hold 1000 if everything else is setup properly. I probably went overkill on the rotating assembly with a 3.625 Callies Magnum crank, Lunati Pro Mod rods, Wiseco -11 cc Pistons with .200 wall DLC pins. These should be good to levels beyond what I can push the block to.
Are you going to run a stock stroke crank? Even if you do be aware that some companies Pistons will still need to be clearanced to clear the oil squirters. Good luck with your LS9 build.
Are you going to run a stock stroke crank? Even if you do be aware that some companies Pistons will still need to be clearanced to clear the oil squirters. Good luck with your LS9 build.
There seem to be some different squirter designs.
I had these fitted to my LS2 block, ( 3.825" stroke ) and I had to clearance the skirts.
http://store.katechengines.com/ls9-p...ters-p253.aspx
These are another....which might be a little more piston friendly or stroker friendly ?
http://store.katechengines.com/katec...irter-p74.aspx
With my stroker crank, even the main balance weights touched the allen key head of the bolt for the squirter in a couple of locations. No idea if an OEM setup would do that though
And the side of the rods also skimmed past the metal pipe of the squirter.
Basically...dont try and do a stroker and the first type of oil squirter above !! If it had been a 4" stroke there would have been no chance.
Your right for 900 hp everything should be fine with the proper tune. I may have phrased it wrong, what I was alluding to is that should I decide to push the limits well beyond that level, which would mean a completely different turbo setup, my block would probably have issues or I would lift a head before I have an issue with the rotating assembly. Again my current turbo system will limit me too somewhere in the 900s on E85 so the combo I am assembling should be just fine.
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Nice find on the LS9 block, was that just the bare block and caps? I am looking to do the same thing as you 700-800hp for street and tracking and mid 900 range if I 1/4 mile it. I went with the LSA block for the oil squirters, nodular mains and better material. My block and 4 bolt heads even with mail and head studs will be my limiting factor but I have seen the LSA blocks hold 1000 if everything else is setup properly. I probably went overkill on the rotating assembly with a 3.625 Callies Magnum crank, Lunati Pro Mod rods, Wiseco -11 cc Pistons with .200 wall DLC pins. These should be good to levels beyond what I can push the block to.
Are you going to run a stock stroke crank? Even if you do be aware that some companies Pistons will still need to be clearanced to clear the oil squirters. Good luck with your LS9 build.
Are you going to run a stock stroke crank? Even if you do be aware that some companies Pistons will still need to be clearanced to clear the oil squirters. Good luck with your LS9 build.
Sounds like you are going to have a very stout setup. You may already know this but make sure you use the correct oil pump when using the blocks with oil squirters. At the least you want the GM 12612289 High volume pump or if going aftermarket you would use the Melling 10355 as you need a lot of volume to make up for the oil squirters. Good luck.
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Sounds like you are going to have a very stout setup. You may already know this but make sure you use the correct oil pump when using the blocks with oil squirters. At the least you want the GM 12612289 High volume pump or if going aftermarket you would use the Melling 10355 as you need a lot of volume to make up for the oil squirters. Good luck.
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yeah that's a brand new ls9 block with squirters and such. I'll be doing a dragon slayler 6.625 crank, Manley turbo tough I beams and Manley pistons with extreme duty wrist pins. Don't know if I'm doing mast or Frankenstein heads yet. Tick custom grind cam and t&d shaft mount rockers ect. Thank you for your input!
Twinchargedlsx,
That build is going to be filthy. If you have any questions regarding anything related to your build just holler at me!
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