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Old Jun 6, 2019 | 04:32 PM
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That cam is basically a compromise between the other two. It should have good throttle response and it should carry quite well up top
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Old Jun 6, 2019 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bortous
No that doesn't make a difference.
When they are ported it pumps up both flow numbers and doesn't really change the intake to exhaust flow ratio difference.
You would only do a different cam spec if you were focused more on top end as that where the CNC gains are to take advantage of
I disagree. Example~ im running a 229/244 BTR LS3 cam with stock LS3 821 casting heads. Its no way in hell i would run that cam with a set of TFS 255 LS3 heads... the TFS 255s dont need that much of a split to get good results. Ask NavyBLUE and see what he says.... i bet it will be similar to what i just told you.
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Old Jun 6, 2019 | 04:44 PM
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So if we're only going to have a 3500 stall in this thing shouldn't we be trying to build the nastiest fattest chunkiest torque curve from 3500-5000? Shift the thing at 6500 and call it a day. That long grind from 3500 rpm up to 5500-7000 where it'll really be building power is going to be a painful wait with these long duration cams.

LS3 ports can make great torque - you're not at a disadvantage because of having rectangle heads, but you're over camming it for what I think you really want based on all your other posts.

Look at Torquer 110 dyno sheets for the ls7 for example. Shorter duration cams are going to have WAY better throttle response and part throttle power as well.
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Old Jun 6, 2019 | 04:51 PM
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By the way the TFS LS3 cam is a 230/238 duration. Forgot to mention that. Good heads dont need all that split....
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Old Jun 6, 2019 | 05:14 PM
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Good intake ports don't need all that duration
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Old Jun 6, 2019 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuskyz28
I disagree. Example~ im running a 229/244 BTR LS3 cam with stock LS3 821 casting heads. Its no way in hell i would run that cam with a set of TFS 255 LS3 heads... the TFS 255s dont need that much of a split to get good results. Ask NavyBLUE and see what he says.... i bet it will be similar to what i just told you.
And how does the BTR cam run in with stock ls3 heads?
I bet it would run good with good low end.
And that the point.
I never said to use a very wide split on TFS ls3 heads.
The intake to exhaust flow ratio would be more balanced.
You need 1.5 degrees of duration favouring the exhaust for every percentage point of difference from the intake and exhaust flow ratio.
TFS heads would require about an 8-10 degree split.
High end cathedrals, even less.
The advantage of a wide split is power past peak.
Even Brian Tooley says the LS3 head, likes wide 15 degree splits. They make more power and torque from 3500 rpm+ compared to cams with less exhaust duration.
This is for the LS3 head, NOT the TFS LS3 head.
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Old Jun 6, 2019 | 11:15 PM
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So Bortous, a stock LS3 cam is 204/211.
Theoretically speaking would one see significant improvements with a 204/219 cam in its place? That would give it a 15 degree split, which is most advantageous as said above.
Obviously for big gains one would use much more duration and lift on both sides.
BTW the late LS6 cam was very close to the above cam.
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Old Jun 6, 2019 | 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by spanks13
So if we're only going to have a 3500 stall in this thing shouldn't we be trying to build the nastiest fattest chunkiest torque curve from 3500-5000? Shift the thing at 6500 and call it a day. That long grind from 3500 rpm up to 5500-7000 where it'll really be building power is going to be a painful wait with these long duration cams.

LS3 ports can make great torque - you're not at a disadvantage because of having rectangle heads, but you're over camming it for what I think you really want based on all your other posts.

Look at Torquer 110 dyno sheets for the ls7 for example. Shorter duration cams are going to have WAY better throttle response and part throttle power as well.
It won't be a painful wait because I have good compression to support it at 12:8.1. My goal is to have a camshaft that will carry the power to 7000rpm or close to it.
It should feel strong all over plus having .660 lift will also help torque.
The 110 torquer cam is not that good.
The IVC is way too early and the EVO is far too late.
This is only a low- mid range camshaft in an ls7.
I saw some dyno sheets and the camshaft torque curve falls off a cliff after 4500rpm. No thanks
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Old Jun 6, 2019 | 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
So Bortous, a stock LS3 cam is 204/211.
Theoretically speaking would one see significant improvements with a 204/219 cam in its place? That would give it a 15 degree split, which is most advantageous as said above.
Obviously for big gains one would use much more duration and lift on both sides.
BTW the late LS6 cam was very close to the above cam.
If you put a stock LS3 camshaft with 219 exhaust duration and keep all other specs the same, you will lose some low end but it will carry a bit further up top.
Will probably make a little more power too.
The LS6 cam would have better performance than the ls3 cam.
You need at least a 223 intake duration to make decent power in an LS3.
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Old Jun 6, 2019 | 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bortous
If you put a stock LS3 camshaft with 219 exhaust duration and keep all other specs the same, you will lose some low end but it will carry a bit further up top.
Will probably make a little more power too.
The LS6 cam would have better performance than the ls3 cam.
You need at least a 223 intake duration to make decent power in an LS3.
OK, thanks! And yeah, I believe you on the LS3 duration demand for big power. That engine has CAPABILITIES!
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Old Jun 6, 2019 | 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
OK, thanks! And yeah, I believe you on the LS3 duration demand for big power. That engine has CAPABILITIES!
If I had an LS3 I would fit something like a 227/244 114 LSA +3 cam. It's good all round with a decent note.
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Old Jun 7, 2019 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
So Bortous, a stock LS3 cam is 204/211.
Theoretically speaking would one see significant improvements with a 204/219 cam in its place? That would give it a 15 degree split, which is most advantageous as said above.
Obviously for big gains one would use much more duration and lift on both sides.
BTW the late LS6 cam was very close to the above cam.
That would be like swapping in the gooder z06 cam from 01-02. Which shoulda been the cam in the LS2
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Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
That would be like swapping in the gooder z06 cam from 01-02. Which shoulda been the cam in the LS2
Boy, you got THAT right!
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Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:17 AM
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Bigger cam makes bigger power and carries it further. At the expense of all the things bigger, higher RPM cams cost you. Tip-in, drivability, mid-range powa.
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Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
Bigger cam makes bigger power and carries it further. At the expense of all the things bigger, higher RPM cams cost you. Tip-in, drivability, mid-range powa.
Quite so! However, I doubt there would be that big an issue with the late LS6 cam mentioned above, being it only has 204 intake duration. The 218 exhaust duration would have allowed the power to carry past peak, as has been mentioned here a few times.
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Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:28 AM
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Big cams do cost for sure.
There are sacrifices no matter what you do.
Unless you have a big *** motor.
So Jake, do you agree with with what Darth said about those two cam spec I listed as the original question?
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Yes--that's what I was referring to. The stock cam stuff I could care less about.

Let me go pull my stock 241 heads out and bolt them down to the 440. It'll be GREAT!
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Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
Yes--that's what I was referring to. The stock cam stuff I could care less about.

Let me go pull my stock 241 heads out and bolt them down to the 440. It'll be GREAT!
LOL!! Uhh…. low end response should be OK.... maybe...
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Old Jun 7, 2019 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by JakeFusion
Yes--that's what I was referring to. The stock cam stuff I could care less about.

Let me go pull my stock 241 heads out and bolt them down to the 440. It'll be GREAT!
This is the first time I have got the combination 100% correct for my build.
From the valve train to the camshaft,
Everything suits.
The 12:3.1 compression requirement for the larger camshaft really made my day as I'm over at 12:8.1
I should not have any sluggishness anywhere in the power band.
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