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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 01:54 PM
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I put together a very similar SBE build last year. Cam (Cam Motion custom specced by me) is similar at 226/234 115+4 .620/.620. TxSpeed CNC ported stock LS3 heads milled .010 with .041 Cometic head gaskets. GPI ported and rod modded intake manifold. Veraram, 1.875 headers, Z mufflers, u/d crank pulley etc. Corrected dyno showed 500/454. Torque was at or above 450 from 4200-5500. It pulls pretty damn hard just about any time I punch it. Very pleased with it, and after more than a year, I wouldn't change a thing.

My son did most of the work. I set up the valve train....and got that wrong. I had Comp 7.4" push rods in stock and tried to make them work with the Caddy lifters. Too much preload. The thing fell off the table at 6250 rpm. Just quit pulling. Put some 7.35" in and she pulls hard to 6800 rpm now. Haven't had it on the dyno since then, but I think the longer push rods cost me a few hp.

Lazer has better heads and better intake mani. Should be interesting to see how he does. Don't know if I'll ever get mine to the strip. Our local strip closed and the next closest one is 90minutes each way. At 65 years old I'm not quite as mad at the qtr mile as I used to be...
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 02:13 PM
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Well you confirmed what we were thinking on the torque side of things. My heads are milled .042 to my compression is around 11.5:1. I did flycut .120 valve reliefs when I had the ss4 cam in. I think we will be right on par for a solid 460 torque and 520 power. I have a crank scraper, electric water pump, 2x2.25x3" tri y headers and still using the NPP exhaust. With some ethanol we can possible crest the 460 torque too. Just have to play with percentages and see where it likes it most. 40% should do the trick.
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 05:25 PM
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Y not just run the 4.10 with a 28”high tire? Iam running mz6 trans and 4.10s
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 05:44 PM
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Y not just run the 4.10 with a 28”high tire? Iam running mz6 trans and 4.10s
I was going to but got a 15” conversion and wanted a 26” tire.
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 06:16 PM
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I did a 28" tire with 4.10's on an M6 Vette. It was supercharged and had 600tq at 2500rpm though. Way overkill on a stock cube heads/cam rig.
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by old motorhead
I did a 28" tire with 4.10's on an M6 Vette. It was supercharged and had 600tq at 2500rpm though. Way overkill on a stock cube heads/cam rig.
I loved my 4.10s. I’m expecting a lot more mph so we took a little gear out.
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 06:53 PM
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Loved mine too. But, the reality was that I had WAY more car than driver ability. I took 650rwhp and drove my way to 10.8's and 133mph. It was hot....couldn't hook...wife was mad...planets weren't aligned...yeah, you get the drill.
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 07:08 PM
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U will have more miles per hour with 4.10 and 28” than with 3.90 and 26” go to Wallace racing’s calculator save your money
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U will have more miles per hour with 4.10 and 28” than with 3.90 and 26” go to Wallace racing’s calculator save your money
appreciate the info but I have done my research. What did your combo run at track? I’m also building my car the way I want to daily drive it as well. 26” tire will accelerate faster than a 28”. I have focused the whole build on acceleration mods not just power. Still could do race brakes but have no plan to
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by old motorhead
Loved mine too. But, the reality was that I had WAY more car than driver ability. I took 650rwhp and drove my way to 10.8's and 133mph. It was hot....couldn't hook...wife was mad...planets weren't aligned...yeah, you get the drill.
I took 450 whp and drove it to 10.58@131 and 530whp to 10.62@134.8 lol I know the frustration.
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I been trying to tell Phil and Darth that 28s are magical. The faster n/a cars are all on 28s....
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuskyz28
I been trying to tell Phil and Darth that 28s are magical. The faster n/a cars are all on 28s....
more roll out, much easier to hook consistently
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jtm2085
more roll out, much easier to hook consistently
I pulled 1.50 60’ leaving easy on my 8.5” 26x16 qtps
going to use a mt et drag for a 10” contact patch on a 15” wheel.
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My car is a ls 2 with ls3 heads . I drove it 260 miles to the track round trip it ran 11.24 @124 on soft launch 1.614 /60 I wanted to get home .first time I took it to the track. Anyway lam on nitrous now 614 hp 656 torque @ the rw so low 10s will be no problem now . Anyway it made 494 hp/444 torque NA thru a 4.10 car just needs a driver mod @68 iam doing the best I can
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Last 1
My car is a ls 2 with ls3 heads . I drove it 260 miles to the track round trip it ran 11.24 @124 on soft launch 1.614 /60 I wanted to get home .first time I took it to the track. Anyway lam on nitrous now 614 hp 656 torque @ the rw so low 10s will be no problem now . Anyway it made 494 hp/444 torque NA thru a 4.10 car just needs a driver mod @68 iam doing the best I can
I’m thrilled at 68 your out there giving it hell! My father was the same way. His last car was a gremlin with a 406 sbc and 9” rear. Not trying to pick on anyone. I just know from my experience with my car the direction I want to be heading. This thing will be so tame but unexpectedly fast. Still get 26mpg and drive it where ever I want.
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My car drive drive great. But without the gear it would drive like a piece of sh?t cam 235/243 621/623 /113+3 iam on 15” conversion 28” stiff walls
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Old Feb 20, 2020 | 08:56 PM
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My car drive drive great. But without the gear it would drive like a piece of sh?t cam 235/243 621/623 /113+3 iam on 15” conversion 28” stiff walls
my old cam was a 236/254 and I had a short runner intake. Drove fine accelerated fine. But that’s not good enough for my goal. I want grunt and when I’m cruising down the highways I want mpg too. If my stock cam got me to 10.58 we should surpass that pretty slick this time.
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This will be a better combo.
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Old Feb 21, 2020 | 03:14 PM
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My son did most of the work. I set up the valve train....and got that wrong. I had Comp 7.4" push rods in stock and tried to make them work with the Caddy lifters. Too much preload. The thing fell off the table at 6250 rpm. Just quit pulling. Put some 7.35" in and she pulls hard to 6800 rpm now. Haven't had it on the dyno since then, but I think the longer push rods cost me a few hp.
Forgive my ignorance but why did the longer pushrods cause it to fall off earlier?
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Originally Posted by vw1320
Forgive my ignorance but why did the longer pushrods cause it to fall off earlier?
I'm far from an expert. But, I believe that excessive preload (which you would get from pushrods being too long) will cause the valves to be held open once the lifters are "pumped up". At that point, you lose the hydraulic portion of the lifters and they essentially become solid lifters. As rpm rises, this becomes more pronounced.

I probably just butchered that all to hell. Maybe some of our more learned and experienced members can clear the fog I created.
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