Generation IV Internal Engine 2005-2014 LS2 | LS3 | LS7 | L92 | LS9

NA 500hp, how cheap is it really?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Mar 20, 2020 | 03:16 PM
  #81  
JRFed's Avatar
On The Tree
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 168
Likes: 110
From: Weatherford TX
Default

Originally Posted by ddnspider
It doesn't flow more air.....it has more velocity. There's no arguing the max flow of a rectangular port is > than a cathedral.
That is not always the case. It's a theory.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2020 | 03:17 PM
  #82  
JRFed's Avatar
On The Tree
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 168
Likes: 110
From: Weatherford TX
Default

I like this thread
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2020 | 03:33 PM
  #83  
ddnspider's Avatar
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (26)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,628
Likes: 1,778
From: FL
Default

Originally Posted by JRFed
That is not always the case. It's a theory.
My post was specifically related to this:
Originally Posted by Bspeck82
So you're saying a head that flows more air with a smaller valve and port will make more power? Who would've thought.
Which was a response to my quoting another member on here who runs 7's and ran back to back with a rec vs. a cath and had more success with the cath. In HIS example, the rec didn't flow more. Happy to read more data if you'd like to share instead of 2 cryptic sentences
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2020 | 05:18 PM
  #84  
JRFed's Avatar
On The Tree
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 168
Likes: 110
From: Weatherford TX
Default

Originally Posted by ddnspider
My post was specifically related to this:

Which was a response to my quoting another member on here who runs 7's and ran back to back with a rec vs. a cath and had more success with the cath. In HIS example, the rec didn't flow more. Happy to read more data if you'd like to share instead of 2 cryptic sentences
For sure. I'd like to hear more what people would like to see. Their are a handful of great cylinder head guys here and love the input given by them.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2020 | 05:22 PM
  #85  
ddnspider's Avatar
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (26)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,628
Likes: 1,778
From: FL
Default

The cath/rec debate is almost as vicious as GM vs. Ford so that seems like a good place to start
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2020 | 06:59 PM
  #86  
Last 1's Avatar
Launching!
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 294
Likes: 120
Default

Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Hopefully we do better than that. Was pulling 1.5s with the 2.66. But we're more concerned with the 330 than the 60. That was the basis of the change.
I promise you it will do better than that.i just didn’t want to pay a toll bill home. I wanted to launch at a lower rpm to kept from bogging and to save parts

Last edited by Last 1; Mar 22, 2020 at 11:54 AM.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2020 | 06:59 PM
  #87  
JRFed's Avatar
On The Tree
 
Joined: Mar 2020
Posts: 168
Likes: 110
From: Weatherford TX
Default

Originally Posted by ddnspider
The cath/rec debate is almost as vicious as GM vs. Ford so that seems like a good place to start
Every port has it's purpose. No wrong or right port if that makes any sense. Some like the smaller intake runners smaller valve stuff vs big runner bigger valves. So many variables come into play when building a combination. How a setup is cammed can also make a certain port shine more than others. Personally I prefer the square and rectangular ports more than the cathedral ports as I like high RPM high compression engines. 10k RPM+.... yet on some builds I do prefer to run a cathedral head. We do plan making some NA test on streetable mild compression engines 1st. Then end up doing some race focused builds. We plan on doing basic flow bench vids with tech behind it. I'm the type that doesn't get too hung up on flow numbers vs real world conditions like a running engine, air temps, dyno testing and track testing. I'd love to get feedback from this forum on what people would like to see and know more about. Maybe I will need to make a thread about this to so we don't get this one derailed.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2020 | 08:00 PM
  #88  
ddnspider's Avatar
10 Second Club
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (26)
 
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 14,628
Likes: 1,778
From: FL
Default

This thread was derailed on page one so don't sweat it but I'd be down for another thread. I'd like more info on your statement about "some builds you prefer cathedrals." What instances would you prefer those over square/rec?
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

6 Gifts Neither Your Dad Nor Grad Will Shove Into the 'Trinket Drawer'

 Brett Foote
story-1

Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

 Verdad Gallardo
story-3

7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-6

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-7

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-8

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-9

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Mar 20, 2020 | 08:52 PM
  #89  
bortous's Avatar
TECH Addict
 
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,898
Likes: 467
Default

Originally Posted by JRFed
Every port has it's purpose. No wrong or right port if that makes any sense. Some like the smaller intake runners smaller valve stuff vs big runner bigger valves. So many variables come into play when building a combination. How a setup is cammed can also make a certain port shine more than others. Personally I prefer the square and rectangular ports more than the cathedral ports as I like high RPM high compression engines. 10k RPM+.... yet on some builds I do prefer to run a cathedral head. We do plan making some NA test on streetable mild compression engines 1st. Then end up doing some race focused builds. We plan on doing basic flow bench vids with tech behind it. I'm the type that doesn't get too hung up on flow numbers vs real world conditions like a running engine, air temps, dyno testing and track testing. I'd love to get feedback from this forum on what people would like to see and know more about. Maybe I will need to make a thread about this to so we don't get this one derailed.
Im in for new thread too.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2020 | 09:02 PM
  #90  
Last 1's Avatar
Launching!
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 294
Likes: 120
Default

6.0 + ls3 heads = 500 rwhp best bang for the buck out there. The proof is in the pudding.
Reply
Old Mar 20, 2020 | 10:25 PM
  #91  
FUroundeye's Avatar
Launching!
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 217
Likes: 4
From: Austin, TX
Default

Originally Posted by Z32_5.3
Holy Moses so ls3 motors are like $7500.
An L9H (Gen IV 6.2L aluminum block w/ rectangular port heads) can be had for under $3000 complete with harness, ECM, and accessories. I paid $1250 for my L96 (Gen IV 6.0 iron block w/ rectangular port heads). I'm a little confused as to why everyone acts like you'd be limited to a Gen III LQ4/9 or Gen IV LS3 here. I'm running an LS3 intake manifold purely for hood clearance reasons, otherwise I'd still be using the stock truck manifold b/c it's been shown to make just as much power as the LS3. With a cam, long tubes, and a good tune you can make ~550 flywheel hp which I think is about the best bang for your buck. That next 50 hp that will get you to 500 rwhp is going to be a bit pricier, however.
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:50 AM.

story-0
6 Gifts Neither Your Dad Nor Grad Will Shove Into the 'Trinket Drawer'

Don't get dad new socks or a grill brush this year.

By Brett Foote | 2026-06-09 14:55:56


VIEW MORE
story-1
Topdon ONE vs. Artidiag 800 BT2: Which is the Diagnostic Tablet For You?

Slideshow: We take a close look at the ONE and Artidiag 800BT2 diagnostic tools from Topdon and the reasons to buy one over the other.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-28 11:05:11


VIEW MORE
story-2
Gas Monkey Built a 6-Wheel Ferrari Testarossa With a Corvette LT4 Engine

Slideshow: The controversial Ferrari F6 swaps its original flat-12 for a Corvette Z06-derived LT4 V8 and sends power to four rear wheels through a custom-built drivetrain.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-26 18:23:54


VIEW MORE
story-3
7 Most Reliable High-Performance Engines GM Has Ever Built

Slideshow:These GM engines didn't just make huge power, they survived abuse, boost, track days, and six-digit mileage with a reputation for refusing to quit.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-21 16:45:27


VIEW MORE
story-4
Amazing '71 Camaro Restomod Is Modern Muscle Car Under the Skin

Slideshow: This heavily modified 1971 Camaro mixes classic muscle car styling with a fifth-generation Camaro interior and modern LS3 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:06:42


VIEW MORE
story-5
6 Common C5 Corvette Failures and What's Involved In Repairing Them

Slideshow: From wobbling harmonic balancers to failed EBCMs, these are the issues that define long-term C5 ownership and what repairs typically involve.

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-05-07 18:44:57


VIEW MORE
story-6
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-7
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-9
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE