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ToxicBiz Jan 25, 2023 03:14 PM

First start up engine won't turn
 
So I finally got power to the car. Now I'm trying to prime the oil but the starter is not turning the flywheel. I took out all of the spark plugs and tried to turn the engine by hand and it won't turn. It turned just fine before connecting the m6 trans and putting the engine in the car. Are these two things related? What should I check for? Battery is brand new all the parts are also brand new.
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Full Power Jan 25, 2023 05:39 PM

Transmission in neutral ?
Correct flywheel ?

01CamaroSSTx Jan 29, 2023 10:11 PM

If the transmission is in neutral you should be able to turn it over by hand unless the starter is hung up on the flywheel. Did you remember that you have to push in the clutch to turn it over with the ignition key? It wouldn't be the first time this has happened.

ddnspider Jan 30, 2023 08:12 AM

Yank the starter and turn by hand and go from there.

LS299S10 Jan 30, 2023 09:34 AM

You said you tried turning it by hand. Said it turned by hand before installing the transmission.
The problem seems to be the transmission.

ToxicBiz Feb 1, 2023 12:13 AM

So it 10000% turned by hand before putting it in the car. I just removed all of the transmission clutch and flywheel and it still won't do one full turn. I'm at a loss I don't understand. I guess all I can do now is drain the oil and start breaking it down. I suppose I'll start with the push rods and rockers.

ToxicBiz Feb 1, 2023 12:15 AM


Originally Posted by Full Power (Post 20480606)
Transmission in neutral ?
Correct flywheel ?

Yes and yes

ToxicBiz Feb 1, 2023 12:16 AM


Originally Posted by LS299S10 (Post 20481496)
You said you tried turning it by hand. Said it turned by hand before installing the transmission.
The problem seems to be the transmission.

That's what I thought and hoped but after pulling it all it still won't do a full turn. Only about 3/4 of a turn.

ddnspider Feb 1, 2023 06:37 AM

Back off the rockers and see if it turns then. Also pull the starter.

jasons69chevelle Feb 1, 2023 07:58 AM

How hard was it to put the transmission in. Lots of force? Did you use the bolts to pull the transmission to the engine? I’m thinking the crank maybe jammed forward into the thrust bearing.

01CamaroSSTx Feb 1, 2023 08:09 AM

Was it turning over by hand with the rocker arms installed? Could be possible you missed a lifter cup when installing the PR's and now it's binding up.

ToxicBiz Feb 2, 2023 12:46 AM


Originally Posted by 01CamaroSSTx (Post 20481956)
Was it turning over by hand with the rocker arms installed? Could be possible you missed a lifter cup when installing the PR's and now it's binding up.

Yes it was all installed when it would turn over. I'm gonna try to loosen the rocker tomorrow

ToxicBiz Feb 2, 2023 12:47 AM


Originally Posted by 01CamaroSSTx (Post 20481956)
Was it turning over by hand with the rocker arms installed? Could be possible you missed a lifter cup when installing the PR's and now it's binding up.

Yes it was all installed when it would turn over. I'm gonna try to loosen the rocker tomorrow

ToxicBiz Feb 2, 2023 12:49 AM


Originally Posted by jasons69chevelle (Post 20481952)
How hard was it to put the transmission in. Lots of force? Did you use the bolts to pull the transmission to the engine? I’m thinking the crank maybe jammed forward into the thrust bearing.

No problem getting it in the engine. Did not use the bolts to pull it in. Is it possible the bolts pulled the crank to the back?

Gene Cheeseman Feb 2, 2023 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by ToxicBiz (Post 20482125)
Yes it was all installed when it would turn over. I'm gonna try to loosen the rocker tomorrow

The transmission install is the problem. If it turned over with the rockers on before why are you going to mess with them?

ToxicBiz Feb 2, 2023 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by ToxicBiz (Post 20481928)
So it 10000% turned by hand before putting it in the car. I just removed all of the transmission clutch and flywheel and it still won't do one full turn. I'm at a loss I don't understand. I guess all I can do now is drain the oil and start breaking it down. I suppose I'll start with the push rods and rockers.


Originally Posted by Gene Cheeseman (Post 20482136)
The transmission install is the problem. If it turned over with the rockers on before why are you going to mess with them?

The transmission is out now and it still won't turn 100% over.

ddnspider Feb 2, 2023 08:39 AM


Originally Posted by ToxicBiz (Post 20482138)
The transmission is out now and it still won't turn 100% over.

Knew that was coming....hence the reason I asked you to pull the starter and springs. Putting the trans in just so happens to correspond when you tried turning it over. Your problems are in the engine.

grinder11 Feb 2, 2023 09:38 AM

Thus is an unusual LS problem!!! If it spins 360° after rockers are removed, either a bad trunnion, or valve to piston...

LS299S10 Feb 2, 2023 09:41 AM

1000000% something dropped into an intake port.
Did you pull the intake to install it?

01CamaroSSTx Feb 2, 2023 10:04 AM

Engine turned 360° with the rocker arms installed and before transmission was installed but now after removing the trans it dosen't? I find it strange to all of a sudden have an internal issue which leads to other questions like was the timing cover, valve covers, windage tray and oil pan installed at the time the engine was turning over by hand? I'm pretty sure that bolting a flywheel to the crank isn't going to keep it from turning over either and if so the problem would have been with the flywheel and visible. If for some reason the thrust is the issue this should have been verified before the connecting rods went on. Just as you should be checking for side clearance after rod/piston install.


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