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Old Feb 18, 2023 | 07:45 PM
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Putting together a new combination. What do you think it will make? Suggestions appreciated. Parts listed are parts that I have. Want to get a 3200lb race weight car to the 5.50's - 6.0s no prep and still drivable.

403 Ci ls2
Forged internals.
k464x05 pistons -3CC
.040 gasket
12.2 compression
~.04 quench
Port matched ls3 Fast 102 with mid length runners
TEA trickflow 255s milled to 63CC
Johnson reduced travel lifters
BTR v2 rockers.
btr assembled and shimmed .660 plats
242/256 110+4 .646 cam
manual rack and brakes.
factory WP
1.875 headers and dual 3" exhaust
NX Plate kit. spraying 150 to 300 progressed (may go direct depending on how it works out)

Maybe close to 670fwhp na?

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Similar to my 403 but I used MMS 235 heads, 11.8:1 CR and cam was 243/249 .675/.675 114+3. Made 667fwhp at 6650rpm.
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Old Feb 18, 2023 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 84ta406
Similar to my 403 but I used MMS 235 heads, 11.8:1 CR and cam was 243/249 .675/.675 114+3. Made 667fwhp at 6650rpm.
that's not bad, mamo heads seem to make great numbers. i was hoping to run mine out a bit more hence the ls3 top end. Hopefully it will run out to 7500ish.
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Originally Posted by B4CMaro
Putting together a new combination. What do you think it will make? Suggestions appreciated. Parts listed are parts that I have. Want to get a 3200lb race weight car to the 5.50's - 6.0s no prep and still drivable.

403 Ci ls2
Forged internals.
k464x05 pistons -3CC
.040 gasket
12.2 compression
~.04 quench
Port matched ls3 Fast 102 with mid length runners
TEA trickflow 255s milled to 63CC
Johnson reduced travel lifters
BTR v2 rockers.
btr assembled and shimmed .660 plats
242/256 110+4 .646 cam
manual rack and brakes.
factory WP
1.875 headers and dual 3" exhaust
NX Plate kit. spraying 150 to 300 progressed (may go direct depending on how it works out)

Maybe close to 670fwhp na?
Do you already have the TFS heads?
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Old Feb 18, 2023 | 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by DualQuadDave
Do you already have the TFS heads?
yes i do, how come?
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Old Feb 18, 2023 | 10:07 PM
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yes i do, how come?
Just asking because I would recommend a different LS3 head. It's ok though, they are not bad at all. I would definitely do a 2in header though. What valves are in the heads? Hollow or solid? Considering you want to turn it up, hollow or Ti is the way to go.
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Originally Posted by DualQuadDave
Just asking because I would recommend a different LS3 head. It's ok though, they are not bad at all. I would definitely do a 2in header though. What valves are in the heads? Hollow or solid? Considering you want to turn it up, hollow or Ti is the way to go.
lots of people i talked to were biased eiher towards afr or tfs heads, the heads are from tooley and were shipped by TEA so i may have to ask them if they incorporate their hollow valves. I was looking into 2" headers, may go that route once it comes apart. and ceramic coated
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Originally Posted by B4CMaro
lots of people i talked to were biased eiher towards afr or tfs heads, the heads are from tooley and were shipped by TEA so i may have to ask them if they incorporate their hollow valves. I was looking into 2" headers, may go that route once it comes apart. and ceramic coated
Def ask on the valves, there is a lot of power in that. I don't like AFR's, I was going to suggest PRC 260's(I have a set going on my LS2), or Mast 11 degree. Both are real nice for the $$.
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Originally Posted by DualQuadDave
Def ask on the valves, there is a lot of power in that. I don't like AFR's, I was going to suggest PRC 260's(I have a set going on my LS2), or Mast 11 degree. Both are real nice for the $$.
I'll definetely call them Monday and ask them. I assume they should be since all tea tfs 255s come with hollow valves according to the website but it would be a good thing to check.

I had the masts and prc on my radar but opted for the tfs because of availability, price and for the port size had really strong numbers. Assuming the data is legit. They should hopefully perform well with the aggressive street cam and shorter 6" fast runners.
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Make sure you put good springs in it if you want to rev it out that far. Like a PAC 1208x kit, shimmed to what you need.
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Originally Posted by DualQuadDave
Def ask on the valves, there is a lot of power in that. I don't like AFR's, I was going to suggest PRC 260's(I have a set going on my LS2), or Mast 11 degree. Both are real nice for the $$.
I have PRCs on one car and AFR on another.

But based on what they did on my 427ci LS3, I would rate the AFRs as the better product.....but I do like my PRCs! ;-)

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Old Feb 19, 2023 | 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jayyyw
Make sure you put good springs in it if you want to rev it out that far. Like a PAC 1208x kit, shimmed to what you need.
They installed and shimmed their .660 spring kit on their own recommendation.
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Just some personal expirience: The .660 BTR spings in my LS7 heads only lasted about 6months being rev'd out to 7500rpms almost daily. They started to float after that. I was running stainless valves which are probably heavier than what you are going to run. Just something to be aware of and keep an eye on.
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Originally Posted by jayyyw
Just some personal expirience: The .660 BTR spings in my LS7 heads only lasted about 6months being rev'd out to 7500rpms almost daily. They started to float after that. I was running stainless valves which are probably heavier than what you are going to run. Just something to be aware of and keep an eye on.
what cam was in it?
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Originally Posted by B4CMaro
lots of people i talked to were biased eiher towards afr or tfs heads, the heads are from tooley and were shipped by TEA so i may have to ask them if they incorporate their hollow valves. I was looking into 2" headers, may go that route once it comes apart. and ceramic coated
FWIW, Tooley was at, and developed a lot of, the TEA ported heads before he left to start BTR. He is very good. As for power, I'm guessing closer to 650fwhp. YMMV.
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Originally Posted by KW Baraka
I have PRCs on one car and AFR on another.

But based on what they did on my 427ci LS3, I would rate the AFRs as the better product.....but I do like my PRCs! ;-)

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It is hard to go wrong with AFR heads. I mean, look who designed them..
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You have a much larger cam than needed for your ET goals and the amount of spray you plan on using
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Originally Posted by DualQuadDave
Def ask on the valves, there is a lot of power in that. I don't like AFR's, I was going to suggest PRC 260's(I have a set going on my LS2), or Mast 11 degree. Both are real nice for the $$.
Guys at tooley said they are solid intake valves. But they are confident valve float will be controlled with the .660 springs
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Originally Posted by spanks13
You have a much larger cam than needed for your ET goals and the amount of spray you plan on using
I was hoping to spin it to around 7200 - 7500.
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Originally Posted by B4CMaro
what cam was in it?
RPM B3 - 243/258 .660/.660 114+3 Not too aggressive.
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