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Old Apr 6, 2024 | 07:04 PM
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I'm working with Brian Tooley racing on a custom cam for my endurance road racing application. I'm running TSP Brawler heads with their TSP/PAC 660 springs. They recommend higher seat pressure and adding steel lash caps on the valve tips. I couldn't really verify those recommendations based on internet searching, but I figured I'd take their word for it as experts who designs a lot of these valvetrains.

To accommodate the lash caps (and provide more seat pressure), they got me a set of 0.075 offset locks.

The TSP/PAC 660 specs are:
  • 1.810 installed height
  • 1.015 coil bind
  • 0.135 coil bind clearance at 0.660 max lift
With my cam, lash caps and offset locks - the springs will be setup at:
  • 1.735 installed height
  • 1.015 coil bind
  • 0.091 coil bind clearance at 0.629 max lift
  • I checked and I've got plenty of clearance (~0.085) between the retainer and the valve seal
I ran all this by my guy at Brain Tooley and he said that 0.091 coil bind was good and that I should run it. But I'm curious since my 0.629 lift plus 0.075 offset adds up to 0.704 total spring compression (over the 0.660 the springs are advertised for). I wonder why these springs are advertised as 660 spring when their 1.015 coil bind would allow for more. And from what I've read, running closer to 0.60 coil bind clearance was preferred for high-RPM applications (rather than the 0.135 you'd get with those springs at 0.660 lift)

Thoughts? If the springs have plenty of coil bind clearance at 0.700, why are they marketed as 660 springs?

BTW, I e-mailed the guys at TSP but I figured I'd ask hear in the meantime to see what ya'll think

Thanks,
Sal


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Old Apr 7, 2024 | 02:54 PM
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My guess is, variances in installed height might cause coil bind issues in some applications and it's better to err on the safe side. The other possibility is that the spring design isn't set up for the aggressiveness that a .700+ lift cam would have.
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Old Apr 7, 2024 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1Formulation
My guess is, variances in installed height might cause coil bind issues in some applications and it's better to err on the safe side. The other possibility is that the spring design isn't set up for the aggressiveness that a .700+ lift cam would have.
That's a good point... it's only going up-and-down 0.629 which is well within the 0.660 "recommended" lift for the spring. And if I've got plenty of coil bind clearance, then I suppose it's cool.



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It is advertised as a .660 spring because that was/is the buzz.
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Old Apr 8, 2024 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboBuick6
It is advertised as a .660 spring because that was/is the buzz.
TSP also confirmed that it's more of a marketing thing... for the mass market they advertise 660 to keep folks within the safe realm of usage whereas if they marked them as 700, more folks would push them to (or beyond) the safe limit
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