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Old Dec 3, 2024 | 08:48 PM
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So I'm going to go with a smaller cam (I know the horror) into my 80 Camaro with a LS3 swap.
Can the cam swap be done with out removing the power steering pump and alternator? 2002 Camaro FEA.
I've done LS cam swaps before but on the engine stand.
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As long as you can get the Front Cover off you can get it done.
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Might have to remove the radiator in order to get the camshaft out of the block and if you've done this before then you know the stick trick for getting the lifters off of the cam lobes.
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Old Dec 4, 2024 | 09:45 AM
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As said, if you can get the front cover off, you can do it that way. OTOH, not sure how it would be A Good Idea; having plenty of room to work and easy access to everything, is usually worth the tiny amount of effort involved in R&Ring those 2 components.

"Stick trick" is to slide 5/16" dowel rods about the length of the cam into the lifter oil passages as you turn the motor, such that all 16 lifters get held up at the top of their travel by the rod passing through the passage next to the narrow part of the lifter.
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Old Dec 4, 2024 | 03:19 PM
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Thanks for the replies. Yes the radiator has to come out and the trans cooler has to be unbolted. I planned on that. I have a set of homemade lifter rods.
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Old Dec 8, 2024 | 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by LS1 TJ
So I'm going to go with a smaller cam (I know the horror) into my 80 Camaro with a LS3 swap.
Can the cam swap be done with out removing the power steering pump and alternator? 2002 Camaro FEA.
I've done LS cam swaps before but on the engine stand.
what cam are you going with?
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Old Dec 8, 2024 | 04:03 PM
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Currently running a Texas Speed cam 225I/230E. I've used this cam before but with a stick. Worked well. My current 80 Camaro LS3/4L60E project has a Yank 2800 stall converter. But when you pull up to a stop it really lugs against the brakes. Maybe I should of used a 3200-3600 stall converter. Had the tune adjusted twice my a guy I really trust. His advice was more stall or smaller cam.
So haven't bought anything yet. Holding out for Christmas specials. LOL.
But cam wise I'm thinking 10 degrees less on both intake and exhaust. Fr me changing the cam out is cheaper and easier the changing out the converter.
Just to be clear I've bought a number of parts from Texas Speed and they have worked well.
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Old Dec 8, 2024 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by LS1 TJ
Currently running a Texas Speed cam 225I/230E. I've used this cam before but with a stick. Worked well. My current 80 Camaro LS3/4L60E project has a Yank 2800 stall converter. But when you pull up to a stop it really lugs against the brakes. Maybe I should of used a 3200-3600 stall converter. Had the tune adjusted twice my a guy I really trust. His advice was more stall or smaller cam.
So haven't bought anything yet. Holding out for Christmas specials. LOL.
But cam wise I'm thinking 10 degrees less on both intake and exhaust. Fr me changing the cam out is cheaper and easier the changing out the converter.
Just to be clear I've bought a number of parts from Texas Speed and they have worked well.
interesting, I've never seen a 225/230 cam from them before, unless its a custom grind. I know they have a 235/240.

225/230 is not even very big. Sorry to hear you are dealing with converter issues. Often times, ls3 cams have larger splits because they don't need as much intake relative to exhaust.

If you do decide to switch cams, I think you might like the summit 8715 ghost cam 222/234, .600, .575, 115+3 or the summit 8720 218/227, .600, .600, 112+2
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Originally Posted by Abs
interesting, I've never seen a 225/230 cam from them before, unless its a custom grind. I know they have a 235/240.

225/230 is not even very big. Sorry to hear you are dealing with converter issues. Often times, ls3 cams have larger splits because they don't need as much intake relative to exhaust.

If you do decide to switch cams, I think you might like the summit 8715 ghost cam 222/234, .600, .575, 115+3 or the summit 8720 218/227, .600, .600, 112+2
I have used the Summit Ghost 8715 cam a lot and love it. All my customers that have used it also love it.

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I bought the cam about 5? years ago direct from Texas Speed so they may have phased it out.
Because of 115+3 ghost cam would it be better in gear at a stop light than my current cam considering my 2800 stall converter? My current cam is 114. Less lope?
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Originally Posted by LS1 TJ
I bought the cam about 5? years ago direct from Texas Speed so they may have phased it out.
Because of 115+3 ghost cam would it be better in gear at a stop light than my current cam considering my 2800 stall converter? My current cam is 114. Less lope?
What engine management system are you working with? What you're experiencing in gear can easily be an engine or transmission tuning issue.

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Old Dec 9, 2024 | 04:51 PM
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Stock 2012 GM ECM and PCM.
I didn't do a chassis dyno tune but two drive tunes again by the tuner that has done 6? LS tunes for me. Totally trust his opinion.
Just a note after the car gets rolling it runs like a champ. All shifts sharp but not harsh. It pulls to the rev limiter (6500 rpm) with no issues.
Thanks for a all the help.
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Originally Posted by LS1 TJ
Stock 2012 GM ECM and PCM.
I didn't do a chassis dyno tune but two drive tunes again by the tuner that has done 6? LS tunes for me. Totally trust his opinion.
Just a note after the car gets rolling it runs like a champ. All shifts sharp but not harsh. It pulls to the rev limiter (6500 rpm) with no issues.
Thanks for a all the help.
I don't tune stock ECUs, but if this was a Holley EFI tune, I'd fiddle with the transmission line pressure at 0% TPS in first gear.

Andrew
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Old Dec 9, 2024 | 07:35 PM
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The car is in the shop for the long winter sleep.
I will speak to my tuner with your advice. Thank you.
Oh and Merry Christmas!
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