holden in US?
Originally Posted by Firehawk0220
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However, for the person that was commenting on the stock F-Body outrunning a stock GTO, you'll find that is not the case when you go up against an LS2 based GTO. The F-Body and the Monaro/GTO are very much comparable to each other. I think the LS2 powered GTO's can be taken into the 12's easier than the F-Bodies typically can be.
However, for the person that was commenting on the stock F-Body outrunning a stock GTO, you'll find that is not the case when you go up against an LS2 based GTO. The F-Body and the Monaro/GTO are very much comparable to each other. I think the LS2 powered GTO's can be taken into the 12's easier than the F-Bodies typically can be.
i'm not saying GTOs are slow, i'm just saying all the stock GTOs i have seen or touched wouldnt scare me at a redlight. modded is completely different story however...
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I am not sure what the GTO's are like but most of the stock Holdens are quite de-tuned from the factory , the one i have was the worst for that (the one tonner ute) . 10-12 deg timing at wot , overly sensitive and exessive burst knock settings and ritch mixtures at wot seem to be the norm .
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Well I think that the stock GTO has a better torque curve and it just seems to have better power at take off than the F-Body did.
I mean I've owned both, and I just think the GTO has more pull to it. The torque and horse power curves just seems better. Really each car has advantages and disadvantages when compared to each other. But even for it's downsides, I am much more satisfied with my GTO than I was the F-Body. Which is amazing considering I have been a die hard F-Body fan all my life.
I mean I've owned both, and I just think the GTO has more pull to it. The torque and horse power curves just seems better. Really each car has advantages and disadvantages when compared to each other. But even for it's downsides, I am much more satisfied with my GTO than I was the F-Body. Which is amazing considering I have been a die hard F-Body fan all my life.
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Originally Posted by Holden LS1 Tonner
I am not sure what the GTO's are like but most of the stock Holdens are quite de-tuned from the factory , the one i have was the worst for that (the one tonner ute) . 10-12 deg timing at wot , overly sensitive and exessive burst knock settings and ritch mixtures at wot seem to be the norm .
Is that you're car VooDoo ? .
Arron
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Is that you're car VooDoo ? .
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What I don't understand is...why GM doesn't bring some of these cars into the US. I mean the ElCamino looking retro-rod thing would probably sell and the 4-door v-8 rwd car would appeal to anyone longing for a sports car but has kids/family IMO. I don't have kids but my father bought a 500 series bmw with a v8 4dr car. He went and drove several american 4 dr cars but didn't really like the power of any. So he went and paid $50k+ probably. I really don't know how much it was but I bet it was more than a GTO costs. Just my opinion but GM needs to start thinking with their heads and not their asses. They do most of their designing in Michigan, and nothing against MI but it's not where all of the new trends are coming from. I would say to move the design studios to LA or Miami. They set the trends in America for cars anyway. Cadillac done it and now look at the CTS-V and other neww models. Not my "choice" but IMO it does look better than the older ones. The new F-body coming out will appeal to the older crowd who grew up with the 68-69 camaros/firebirds and the newer gen that wishes to have one but thats about it. I think they sell because that covers a bunch of people.
Just my 0.02
As far as F-Bods vs. GTO
F-Bods are IMO a little faster and look a little better as far exterior appearance but I also believe the GTO has a much nicer finsh than the F-Bods.
The Interior is 2x nicer on the GTO. A well known problem area for the F-Bod. We'll see how they do over time I guess. All current F-Bods are at least 4 yrs old now and IMO they have shown some problem areas that could have been fixed for a little of nothing.
Just my 0.02
As far as F-Bods vs. GTO
F-Bods are IMO a little faster and look a little better as far exterior appearance but I also believe the GTO has a much nicer finsh than the F-Bods.
The Interior is 2x nicer on the GTO. A well known problem area for the F-Bod. We'll see how they do over time I guess. All current F-Bods are at least 4 yrs old now and IMO they have shown some problem areas that could have been fixed for a little of nothing.
Originally Posted by Firehawk0220
This thread has some of the worst typed english I've ever read in a forum. I can't understand a damn thing that has been said here. English typed this badly with the use of "u" in place of "you" is just LAZY. You don't need perfect grammer or spelling skills, but you can't effectively communicate with such broken english. Your insults to each other don't even come out right.
The GTO and the Monaro are practically the same thing. Except, for some appearance stuff. Plus none of our GTO's are 4 door sedans. Which in my book is a good thing. All of the GTO's have leather interior and are well equipped. They are also equipped the same. The only real choice or option is in the transmission. So the Holden vehicle is more versitile for sure. It would by nature appeal to more people and target markets. The GTO is a sports coupe. Nothing else. Almost a pure performance vehicle with some refinement. The F-Body on the otherhand is a kickass all business yet dated design. The F-Bodies lack of versitility and technological sophistication made it's sales decline over the years. Finally, GM had no more place for it in thier lineup.
The LS1 F-Bodies can no doubt beat a stock Monaro or GTO with an LS1 engine inside. Even though the ones that went into the GTO's are rated at 45HP more. There is about a 400lbs weight difference in favor of the F-Body.
However, for the person that was commenting on the stock F-Body outrunning a stock GTO, you'll find that is not the case when you go up against an LS2 based GTO. The F-Body and the Monaro/GTO are very much comparable to each other. I think the LS2 powered GTO's can be taken into the 12's easier than the F-Bodies typically can be.
As far as looks go, I'd have to say that the exterior of the F-Body is alot cooler looking than the GTO or Monaro. When it comes to the build quality of the car, or the interior and interior features, the Holden's and GTO's have the F-Body beat. Lets not also forget that in high torque and horsepower situations the Monaro/GTO has a much stronger chassis. It won't need SFC's nearly as quickly as a F-Body will.
Finally, the Holden based GTO is MUCH better built than any American car I've ever been in or owned. The quality of workmanship is something more American branded cars should aspire to. The GTO is in MANY ways superior to the F-Body it replaced. GM doesn't need to bring the F-Body back as it was. This comes from someone who grew up with them, and has personally owned two of them.
Having owned both, that's my take on the subject.
The GTO and the Monaro are practically the same thing. Except, for some appearance stuff. Plus none of our GTO's are 4 door sedans. Which in my book is a good thing. All of the GTO's have leather interior and are well equipped. They are also equipped the same. The only real choice or option is in the transmission. So the Holden vehicle is more versitile for sure. It would by nature appeal to more people and target markets. The GTO is a sports coupe. Nothing else. Almost a pure performance vehicle with some refinement. The F-Body on the otherhand is a kickass all business yet dated design. The F-Bodies lack of versitility and technological sophistication made it's sales decline over the years. Finally, GM had no more place for it in thier lineup.
The LS1 F-Bodies can no doubt beat a stock Monaro or GTO with an LS1 engine inside. Even though the ones that went into the GTO's are rated at 45HP more. There is about a 400lbs weight difference in favor of the F-Body.
However, for the person that was commenting on the stock F-Body outrunning a stock GTO, you'll find that is not the case when you go up against an LS2 based GTO. The F-Body and the Monaro/GTO are very much comparable to each other. I think the LS2 powered GTO's can be taken into the 12's easier than the F-Bodies typically can be.
As far as looks go, I'd have to say that the exterior of the F-Body is alot cooler looking than the GTO or Monaro. When it comes to the build quality of the car, or the interior and interior features, the Holden's and GTO's have the F-Body beat. Lets not also forget that in high torque and horsepower situations the Monaro/GTO has a much stronger chassis. It won't need SFC's nearly as quickly as a F-Body will.
Finally, the Holden based GTO is MUCH better built than any American car I've ever been in or owned. The quality of workmanship is something more American branded cars should aspire to. The GTO is in MANY ways superior to the F-Body it replaced. GM doesn't need to bring the F-Body back as it was. This comes from someone who grew up with them, and has personally owned two of them.
Having owned both, that's my take on the subject.
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There is some information on the new VE Commodore (zeta) in the link below , the styling has changed quite a bit and the sedan based models will be first then the utes will follow later . The pictures are only computer generated 
http://www.drive.com.au/editorial/ar...f=7&bg=24&pp=6
http://www.drive.com.au/editorial/ar...f=7&bg=24&pp=6
it frustyrates me soo much to see cars like the lumina ss only being sold overseas.Why woudlnt youi want to sell a frickin lumina in the us market?or how bout those clubsports those are bad *** and would serve as a great alternative to this crap from japan like g35 four doors or cammries and wouldnt cost a whole lot more.It makes me feel betrayed chevys an american company yet they sell us americans cars like the conservative impala and ssr while all those crazy aussies get 400 horsepower grocery getters.The world will never make sense. When i gtaduate school im planning on taking over gm lol thatd be nice.
