Exactly, mph is a good indication of HP.

 

I am the guy who put down numbers at SLP. The car still makes great power, but only after I spent another 8-9k to fix it all. It is now for sale. My shortblock was never touched except for the cam. Maybe that is why I am one of the lucky ones?? My car ran 11.3@124. At least it ran what it should.

 

Here's one.

 

Im just curious - taking this from your sig - "Black 93 T/A - 224/230 XE, JPR heads - 375/363 lean up top - Never Runing right! -- Dropped compression on 2 cylinders - Project Mean Thing in the works -- APE 355 and custom cam."

2 things that strike me as odd...1st - Your happy now that he has fixed everything, but Im assuming your sig refers to your first setup -the "lean up top", "dropped compression on 2 cylinders" and "Never Runing right!" Most vendors dont have these problems which lead to failures and having to go back and fix things.

2nd - Why isnt JPR building your 355? I see you are going with APE now...

 

Just for the record. I have officially decided to have my COMPLETE motor torn down and rebuilt. I am going to get the papers on the balancing and blue prints, and I am going to have the lifter preload redone and make sure the heads are flowing and they are sealed to the block. I am taking the car to Eastside and I am turning over the car to them. They will check the suspension, rear, and reinstall my brand new tranny and my 2nd brand new 427. I cant Sleep at night wondering how long this motor will last. Longer than Eriks? Georges ( which one take your pick)? Mikes? And whoever else is having that damm lifter problem. The stress on me and the wife over the motor has been tremendous. I cant sleep at night wondering if my 11k is gonna take a crap. Lets not forget that my first motor blew up as well. I was told by Joe over the phone that I had no warranty on my motor, because " if something breaks I cant afford to fix it." Gee, thats a help. I wonder what would have happened if I didnt have enough money to pay for the motor? Hmmmmmmmmmm. As for your relationship with JD, That completely turned me off to you. He is not my type of people. The customer is NEVER right with him. He freaking harrassed me over $14 on the tow to the shop. Then he told me I could go "Wipe my *** with the $14." Thats before my car was tuned or I picked it up. I felt pretty special about dealing with JD now!!! I wonder how my car was really handled. It still had damm near no gas in it on the dyno. When I came to pick the car up it stalled because it ran outta gas. That tells me that at 6500 rpms my car had 45 seconds of fuel or so left. Good thing JD didnt need to do one more pull. Then maybe my car would have went lean and detoneated. I am sure somehow that would have been MY FAULT, right Mike. I am done with JPR, JD and everyone named Joe. If U wanna make me a happy customer send me a check for $1000 so we can split the rebuild of my motor. Im done!!!!

 

man 8-9k to fix it all? what the h*ll happened? or did you try and get it fixed through JD and it was $1k per quart of "gray wolfe" oil he put in??

 

The never running right was a holdover from a few months ago. The motor wasn't touched my him, at least the stock bottom end, which had 108K miles on it, with a VERY hard last 20K from me. I don't attribute it to him at all. The tune was a bit lean on the top 14.0@5800, and the first time on the dyno got some detonation up top which I believe was the cause of the ring land failure. His fault? I don't think so. His heads flat out performed.

He's not doing my 355 because frankly, I got pointed in the direction of APE first and after talking to Brian and Chris was sold. And the price was VERY budget friendly to me. That by no means doesn't mean I wouldn't have a motor done by Joe.

 

LMFAO. So how much did you get under the table to make that statement. You sir are the needle in the haystack at this point

 

Hey Bear stop following me. I was used to seeing your car parked at Joes and now I am going to see it parked at Eastside????
Hopefully the rebulid goes well for you and its only minor things that need to be changed.

Maybe we can all setup a charity something like helpmeputmyJPRmotorbacktogether.org

 

I was there erik when you picked up your car. I had the heads taken off, valve job done, new springs, lifters, valves...new gaskets. Tranny had to be rebuilt, it was a lot of ****. I did provide my own oil and tranny fluid though. I got amsoil for $3/quart cheaper than what he was going to charge me. He was cool about that though.

 

No answer to my questions yet? lol I wonder why that is?

 

on the subject of the main post, there is a lot of conflicting information in the JPR version of the story. It doesnt help that you, JPR, either are very forgetful or are filling in the information as you go along to explain things (thats a nice way of saying making things up). Im going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just believe you are a bit forgetful...ok well maybe we should go with borderline senile as more accurate. Maybe because you called me out of the blue the other day and I'm a bit a bleeding heart, ill give you the benefit of the doubt.

Im afraid that there is no salvaging what happened in the past with most of these people. My commentary is about the best you are going to get:

I think in your mind you tried to do the right thing (including some payments to JD for screwups for him to cover for you), I really do not believe you set out intentionally to screw people. You did some nice things for me like driving my car to my house 2 hrs to get some break-in miles and then riding back 2 hrs to the dyno. But then you did some seriously f*cked up things like not calling me back when JD was telling me it was $7k to rebuild it ( Im sure you listened to my messages, read my emails, so saying that JD just told you to sit in a f*cking corner, shut and port heads doesnt explain not calling me back), forgetting several times that I was trying to get the massive oil burning issue fixed, and many of these other things I have read from and talked with your other customers about.

The make the situation worse, you joined up with JD, who somehow things everyone owes him something (and isnt afraid to charge them extra for it), has no understanding apparently at all about how an LS1 works and certainly no clue on how to build one (its exactly like a mustang motor, right joe?), and doesnt have any kind of customer service sense. Thats also my nice version of the comments for him.

Cut your losses and move on -- hopefully you have learned something from this whole experience.

 

I realize I'm the minority, but I assure you this isn't an influenced opinoin. If you want me to attribute my motor's demise to someone, how about I blame the machine shop that did the milling, valve job, and spring setup on the heads?? They are the ones, after all, who screwed up, not Joe.

 

I will give Joe the credit of working with me while the car was at HIS shop. He did spend a lot of time with me, and even broke some of his plans to help with the car. It was when He started with JD's that everything became a cluster f**k and I was told all work had to be done through JD at that point. That is when I guess I really lost it. I don't think Joe intentionaly set out to screw people, but it kind of happened.

 

 

First Joe, you would not know the truth if it hit you squarely in the head. Anyone that believes you either (1) you have their car, engine, money, or something that you OWE them (and so they are nice to you) -OR- (2) They are crazy. All a prudent man has to do is ask himself, “Either ALL of these guys are liars OR JPR is NOT the man he wants us to believe he is.” What do you guys think? Are we ALL crazy? Are we all spending our valuable time trying to hurt JPR just because we are a bunch of mean SOB’s?

Secondly Joe, I did not have to twist your arm to take my 50% deposit in Aug. However, AFTER you got my money I had to twist YOUR arm before YOU would take shipment of my car (in Sept). Then I had to twist YOUR arm to put your “FRESHENED” engine in my car (which was already on the ground-literally). This ONLY took you until the end of Dec. Not bad considering that you had been paid MORE than the job called for. But I did eventually get MOST of my money back from you. (The $5000 did not cover it either.) I just NEVER got the engine I paid for.

AND as of today... I now KNOW why my engine still has NO oil pressure. I talked with Brian and he told me that you had your hand in helping make decisions on my motor. He said you were trying to save a dime and thus I still have the same bag of sh*t. I can't believe that JD allowed you to make a decision that he signed his name to. None-the-less, between the 2 of you I still do NOT have an engine and your 12 month/24,000 mile warranty is joke. Unfortunately, the joke is on me.

But instead of me making claims let me just post a picture (courtesy of JD) of your “Freshened” engine that you installed in my car.

 

I wanted people to see that the JPR engine I bought was offered as per your ad, in perfect shape and with a limited warranty .

However. now that it has been rebuilt by JD I feel soooo much better . (NOT!!)

Here are those perfect pics...

 

Hey, Joe, you probably won't read this, but a couple of weeks ago I found out the Darton block you sold me and claimed was done by RED (lie) was cracked from an improperly installed sleeve. Found out when it was about to get cranked for the first time. Thankyou for selling me a set of pistons and a crank for $10,000 and setting me back two years. Just posting because I hear you are in business again and probably lurking the board instead of in the navy like you tried to tell me. Thanks for stealing my combat pay I saved. Thanks buddy.

 

Holy smoke he is up to his old tricks.
http://www.joeprinceracing.com/heads.html
Call the N.J comsumer affairs dept.

 

Is his website really back up, or is that just a cached old page?

Just wondering because it doesn't look any different, and the link to the home page doesn't work.