GXP vs WS6?
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Stock for stock..the LS1 is going to hit its power curve just as the LS4's getting out of it.
heck bench racing just shows in the 1/4 mile what the LS1 does all day. a stock GXP would be lucky to get that on a good run and thats at the 1/4..your running on top end. ..the LS1 is just going to make it more relevant.
Like I said bama..either that guy has no clue whats going on and or could not run his bird..or your more than "stock ish" and got soemthing under the hood to pull like that..or both.
but stock for stock the LS1 is going to win.
heck bench racing just shows in the 1/4 mile what the LS1 does all day. a stock GXP would be lucky to get that on a good run and thats at the 1/4..your running on top end. ..the LS1 is just going to make it more relevant.
Like I said bama..either that guy has no clue whats going on and or could not run his bird..or your more than "stock ish" and got soemthing under the hood to pull like that..or both.
but stock for stock the LS1 is going to win.
There is this kid I know (def not a friend) who keeps talking all types of junk about his WS6 beating my GXP. I have constantly asked him to put up or shut up and yet he always has an excuse on why he cant line it up. I am curious if I would have a snowballs chance in hell on beating him. He has no mods just stock with an auto tranny and all I have is a K&N CAI. Is it possible that I have a chance to beat him?
Of course, I'll still throw in my 2 cents:
Chances are, you'll get OWNED. A stock A4 LS1 F-body will generally run 13.50-13.80 in the quarter-mile. Since the car is an automatic, it's almost a point-and-shoot affair, though it's possible that the driver could screw up and leave the TC on, or simply just light up the tires. This would give you a chance in a short race. On a medium to longer run, even if the WS6 driver makes one of those mistakes, you'd still get run-down on the big-end and blown into the weeds.
Your CAI wouldn't make much of a difference, even if it adds a .10-.15. The fact is, even a strong-running, mostly-unmodded LS4 car will only run 14.10-14.00, with one or two dipping into the 13.90's.
Funny thing is, if your buddy had a 6-speed WS6, you'd have more of a fighting chance, even if his car had some mods. The Bad Driver Mod comes into play a lot more, as the manuals are A LOT more difficult to launch cleanly, and shifting is an artform all his own. There's a lot of room for mistakes, there, and your LS4 is probably quick enough to take advantage of a weak driver shifting his own gears.
For the record, I've owned 2 LS1 F-bodies, a 1999 6-speed Camaro SS, and a 2000 A4 Z28. I know a little bit about how they run!
Still, I'd go race him and see what happens because you never know!
The rest of you can flame away.
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The LS1 F-body versus LS4 argument is one that we've had several times on this forum, so you may want to do a search to see what the previous outcomes were.
Of course, I'll still throw in my 2 cents:
Chances are, you'll get OWNED. A stock A4 LS1 F-body will generally run 13.50-13.80 in the quarter-mile. Since the car is an automatic, it's almost a point-and-shoot affair, though it's possible that the driver could screw up and leave the TC on, or simply just light up the tires. This would give you a chance in a short race. On a medium to longer run, even if the WS6 driver makes one of those mistakes, you'd still get run-down on the big-end and blown into the weeds.
Your CAI wouldn't make much of a difference, even if it adds a .10-.15. The fact is, even a strong-running, mostly-unmodded LS4 car will only run 14.10-14.00, with one or two dipping into the 13.90's.
Funny thing is, if your buddy had a 6-speed WS6, you'd have more of a fighting chance, even if his car had some mods. The Bad Driver Mod comes into play a lot more, as the manuals are A LOT more difficult to launch cleanly, and shifting is an artform all his own. There's a lot of room for mistakes, there, and your LS4 is probably quick enough to take advantage of a weak driver shifting his own gears.
For the record, I've owned 2 LS1 F-bodies, a 1999 6-speed Camaro SS, and a 2000 A4 Z28. I know a little bit about how they run!
Still, I'd go race him and see what happens because you never know!
The rest of you can flame away.
Of course, I'll still throw in my 2 cents:
Chances are, you'll get OWNED. A stock A4 LS1 F-body will generally run 13.50-13.80 in the quarter-mile. Since the car is an automatic, it's almost a point-and-shoot affair, though it's possible that the driver could screw up and leave the TC on, or simply just light up the tires. This would give you a chance in a short race. On a medium to longer run, even if the WS6 driver makes one of those mistakes, you'd still get run-down on the big-end and blown into the weeds.
Your CAI wouldn't make much of a difference, even if it adds a .10-.15. The fact is, even a strong-running, mostly-unmodded LS4 car will only run 14.10-14.00, with one or two dipping into the 13.90's.
Funny thing is, if your buddy had a 6-speed WS6, you'd have more of a fighting chance, even if his car had some mods. The Bad Driver Mod comes into play a lot more, as the manuals are A LOT more difficult to launch cleanly, and shifting is an artform all his own. There's a lot of room for mistakes, there, and your LS4 is probably quick enough to take advantage of a weak driver shifting his own gears.
For the record, I've owned 2 LS1 F-bodies, a 1999 6-speed Camaro SS, and a 2000 A4 Z28. I know a little bit about how they run!
Still, I'd go race him and see what happens because you never know!
The rest of you can flame away.
why flame..its about what I would agree with..I know I went up against them in my modded 94 Z..took them off the line about every time then they reeled me in at the 1/4 about a fender or door. Only time I won was when the guy could not drive. my Camaro had just bolt on and tune and had a little over what the LS4 has..and I still got beat. If your going faster than the 1/4 thats when the LS1 is going to really make it hard to swallow.
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The lesson here is, yes, LS4's are very fast for what they are. But in the big picture, it's still a pretty small fish in an ocean filled with predators.
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Wow guys thanks for all the info. The thing is that his excuse is always mechanical issues with his car so that is why I am willing to bite on this. I never would have thought that it would turn into this big of a discussion and I did not mean to ruffle any feathers. I am going to do a couple more mods before I do this but I will do a follow up post if anything ever goes down. Again thanks for the info
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Wow guys thanks for all the info. The thing is that his excuse is always mechanical issues with his car so that is why I am willing to bite on this. I never would have thought that it would turn into this big of a discussion and I did not mean to ruffle any feathers. I am going to do a couple more mods before I do this but I will do a follow up post if anything ever goes down. Again thanks for the info
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That was basically my point. The kid is always talking that he will smoke me. Hell if I get beat oh well but if I get smoked then I will be pissed. Thanks for the tips too. I am starting to put my wish list together.
but as posted before me anything can happen on the street. but i would still give it a shot anyway but hey i will race anything no matter if i know i will lose or not. trust me i race anything one night i raced a srt-10 viper in a 04 comp g.