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Old 02-13-2009, 09:08 PM
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I ordered these a few days ago and they came today. I promised I would take pics so here they are as well as my initial thoughts on them:













Overall, I'm liking them so far. The welds are awesome, no slag. Flanges are 3/8" are are not completely flush but nothing to worry about. The y-pipe has the flat spot in it on the left side to clear the car. Everything fits together nice and smooth, no need to fight to slip-fit everything. Came with no band clamps but did come with gaskets and bolts. Gaskets are crap paper ones and bolts are 1" long.

If anybody wants other pics, let me know. I'll be installing them very soon so I'll keep this thread updated with fitment photos.
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how much were they
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$489 shipped with the y-pipe.
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man china needs to make them coated already!!!
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Nice man, your car is going to sound ridiculous with the GMMG and LT's. Makes me miss my old Bird thinking about that.
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Originally Posted by StealthFormula
Nice man, your car is going to sound ridiculous with the GMMG and LT's. Makes me miss my old Bird thinking about that.
Thanks, your old car is the reason I went with a GMMG.
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Looks nice.
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are those made of stainless? If so beware with repeated heat cycles the welds will or could eventually crack...
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They look real nice sitting on the floor. That's not what they are intended for.

Let's hear about fitment issues now. Let's hear about that not-flush flange not-allowing you to get all of the header bolts in correctly. Let's see how long they last before you start blowing out header gaskets, how tight the y-pipe is to the floor, how long the finish lasts, etc..

Not bashing or anything, but EVERY part known to mankind always looks great when you unwrap it.

PS, why didn't yuo go with pacesetters? They aren't much more expensive, just curious on the reasons. Who makes those headers you have there?
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Hope they hold up!
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Get 'em coated by Jet Hot.
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They look like LPP's to me?
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Look great!!
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Originally Posted by kinglt-1
They look like LPP's to me?

LPP's dont come with bolts
they come with different gaskets
and that forward most primary on the drivers side is routed differently than LPP.
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Originally Posted by kinglt-1
They look like LPP's to me?
Nah LPP's are stepped and have a different style collector.
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Those look nothing like LPPs except the shinny part and the way the y-pipe is welded together. Also My LPPs were not crimped to flatten that part of the Y. It is oval tubing, The welds go all the way around the primaries, flanges are thicker, they are stepped, 321 SS, the collectors are different and they have a merge spike.
Those look to have emissions fittings and Lpps are Off road type.
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Originally Posted by spudnick3119
I ordered these a few days ago and they came today. I promised I would take pics so here they are as well as my initial thoughts on them:













Overall, I'm liking them so far. The welds are awesome, no slag. Flanges are 3/8" are are not completely flush but nothing to worry about. The y-pipe has the flat spot in it on the left side to clear the car. Everything fits together nice and smooth, no need to fight to slip-fit everything. Came with no band clamps but did come with gaskets and bolts. Gaskets are crap paper ones and bolts are 1" long.

If anybody wants other pics, let me know. I'll be installing them very soon so I'll keep this thread updated with fitment photos.
Looks good hope they work out

i got my pacesetters off ebay they are awesome
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Unless something has changed, the flanges on the LPP headers are also 3/8".
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Originally Posted by spudnick3119
Thanks, your old car is the reason I went with a GMMG.
Haha the good old Lehigh Valley days...Glad I converted you, if for some reason one day you start the car up and its running and open y-pipe you'll know whole stole your system lol.
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Originally Posted by joelster
They look real nice sitting on the floor. That's not what they are intended for.

Let's hear about fitment issues now. Let's hear about that not-flush flange not-allowing you to get all of the header bolts in correctly. Let's see how long they last before you start blowing out header gaskets, how tight the y-pipe is to the floor, how long the finish lasts, etc..

Not bashing or anything, but EVERY part known to mankind always looks great when you unwrap it.

PS, why didn't yuo go with pacesetters? They aren't much more expensive, just curious on the reasons. Who makes those headers you have there?
People did ask for pictures and were curious, that's why I posted them. And I seriously doubt all Pacesetters flanges are 100% flush as well. I will post fitment comments as well as photos when they go on, as I stated in my first post. The only reason why I tried these over Pacesetter is due to them being stainless so they won't eventually rust like a coated header will and have emissions fittings which the LPPs don't.

To those who think they are LPPs, they are not. These are based off of the Pacesetter design, while LPPs are similar to Kooks.

Originally Posted by StealthFormula
Haha the good old Lehigh Valley days...Glad I converted you, if for some reason one day you start the car up and its running and open y-pipe you'll know whole stole your system lol.
Haha, then I know exactly where to look first then.


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