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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:29 PM
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uh. yes. but usually you can get it close by knowing what you have. if you have a stock engine with .100 longer valves then guess what. you need .100 longer pushrods. its not rocket science. it seems like you guys are making this out to be harder than it needs to be.
A pushrod length checker tool is made of metal, not plastic.

And I'm sorry, but I'd prefer to get my valvetrain geometry dead-on. "Getting it close" won't cut it in my engine, especially in a part that can have a drastic effect on valvetrain performance and longevity.

But hey, to each his own I suppose.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 7.0 camaro
uh. yes. but usually you can get it close by knowing what you have. if you have a stock engine with .100 longer valves then guess what. you need .100 longer pushrods. its not rocket science. it seems like you guys are making this out to be harder than it needs to be.
Actually it seems like you don't want to admit that there is absolutely no way to be 100% sure of the length of the pushrod needed without using a checker on the actual setup that is being used. Period.

If your valvetrain geometry calculations were fail proof then there would be no need for pushrod length checkers OR the sharpie method. Why would you need a sharpie if you can calculate it perfectly every time? You wouldn't, you'd have no need to check, ever.

Spend the few bucks, get the checker, be certain. That sounds pretty simple to me.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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everybody does things differently. why are you guys jumping on me for my way? it evidently works. you guys done even know what i have. you dont know anything about me.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 7.0 camaro
uh. yes. but usually you can get it close by knowing what you have. if you have a stock engine with .100 longer valves then guess what. you need .100 longer pushrods. its not rocket science. it seems like you guys are making this out to be harder than it needs to be.
I understand that, but lets say it's more complicated than that...say you swap heads that have milled .015", assembled w/ larger valves, you use a .041 cometic gasket on a block that has been square decked, you install new LS7 lifters (deeper cup), new cam, 1.6 rr's...how do YOU figure out your push rod length?

An adjustable pushrod is a vital assembly tool.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 7.0 camaro
everybody does things differently. why are you guys jumping on me for my way? it evidently works. you guys done even know what i have. you dont know anything about me.
I'd love to know how you can substantiate that???
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:47 PM
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I'd love to know how you can substantiate that???
Maybe he's guessed right in the past?
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:55 PM
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its just the way i learned to do it. this guy is not running an exotic setup like ls7 lifters and all that bullshit. my last engine i built had dart 230 heads and a lunati 4/7 swap small base solid roller cam with 670 lift. i use .015 head gaskets and it ran great for 3 yrs. i used my way of calculating the pushrod length. then checked it with the sharpie method and it was perfect. i only have 3 more ase's till im a master tech. just go ahead and try to make me look stupid.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:58 PM
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here you go. i ran dialed in at a 7.07 and ran 7.072 at 98mph. but im stupid. what does all you guys cars run btw.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/d...-a-2_98936.htm
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 7.0 camaro
its just the way i learned to do it. this guy is not running an exotic setup like ls7 lifters and all that bullshit. my last engine i built had dart 230 heads and a lunati 4/7 swap small base solid roller cam with 670 lift. i use .015 head gaskets and it ran great for 3 yrs. i used my way of calculating the pushrod length. then checked it with the sharpie method and it was perfect. i only have 3 more ase's till im a master tech. just go ahead and try to make me look stupid.
Just because you don't use the proper method, doesn't mean you are stupid, just misinformed.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 02:04 PM
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the method i use is straight off lunati's site. but its the wrong way. ok. i give up with you guys.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 7.0 camaro
the method i use is straight off lunati's site. but its the wrong way. ok. i give up with you guys.
From your link: http://www.lunatipower.com/Tech/Valv...nGeometry.aspx

"The following is a method of verifying proper valve train geometry. After you have estimated the required pushrod length using a Lunati Pushrod Length Checker, use this method to verify that the valve train geometry is correct (using the rockers you are using in your engine.)"

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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
from your link: http://www.lunatipower.com/tech/valv...ngeometry.aspx

"the following is a method of verifying proper valve train geometry. After you have estimated the required pushrod length using a lunati pushrod length checker, use this method to verify that the valve train geometry is correct (using the rockers you are using in your engine.)"

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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 10:09 PM
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i know it says that. but if you have an idea of what size you need to start with and its laying on the bench then throw it on and check it. thats what im saying. if you have no clue then by all means go buy a pushrod checker or get an engine builder that knows what hes doing. thats all im saying.
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Old Apr 28, 2009 | 10:22 PM
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the only way this works is if you just happen to have different size pushrods laying around on your work bench. Most people doing a cam and valvetrain swap are doing this at their house and would rather buy a cheap part that can tell them right away what size pushrods they need right then
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