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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 10:42 AM
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People don't quite comprehend there is a difference between being fastest at bench racing and being fastest on track.

Why on earth would you choose a company to work with then ask them to work with a product they would rather not??? Going to pay a professional for advise just to ignore it?
Exactly...and I don't see a reason to spend all that money on a new set of heads and porting to go with a name when he already has a great set of heads on the car .

If he was working with just a shortblock I would say the AI TFS kit would be the way to go for his money, but it wouldn't make any sense now that he has a set to work on.
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 01:02 PM
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well the thing is, the car is my daily driver. its my only car. what i was originally planning to do was save up for the tfs and turn around and sell the afrs for minimum down time. but im starting to consider porting the afrs. i just havent figured out how to deal with the down time
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 01:02 PM
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especially since the afrs are worth so much
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 01:10 PM
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Have you considered having Tony Mamo from AFR do the porting?
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 01:21 PM
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What Puck is trying to say is blindly defend your mistake to the bitter end like so many others.
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 02:28 PM
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i guess ill just make that decision when it comes time to. its going to be a while before im ready
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
What Puck is trying to say is blindly defend your mistake to the bitter end like so many others.
Not sure I'm following you, thanks I think???

I was pointing out that it would not be a good way to spend money to sell the AFRs, to then spend MORE on new castings and then have THOSE ported.

Not wanting down time is understandable, though .
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 04:41 PM
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i wasnt aware that afr 195s were a bad head??
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Wicked94Z
i wasnt aware that afr 195s were a bad head??
they are if your an AI

You know some have to defend their poor choices.
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Wicked94Z
i wasnt aware that afr 195s were a bad head??
Nope... some stock casting AI heads in a caprice would walk anything with AFR's, simply because it's the proper set up. God forbid anyone ever put AFRs on a cc306 cam'd motor!
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 07:52 PM
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Isn't comparing AI to AFR like comparing apples and oranges? One makes a casting and the other just ports them.

The real comparison is if the op sends his AFRs to Tony and somebody else sends the same casting the op has to AI. Or for lesser value send the AFRs to Tony and compare what AI can do with the TFS's or Darts.
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Old Apr 25, 2010 | 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jabawalkie
Isn't comparing AI to AFR like comparing apples and oranges? One makes a casting and the other just ports them.

The real comparison is if the op sends his AFRs to Tony and somebody else sends the same casting the op has to AI. Or for lesser value send the AFRs to Tony and compare what AI can do with the TFS's or Darts.
no Ai does strictly cnc port work. if they don't want to do hand porting in house, who does their ports for their programs?
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 01:54 AM
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so what you guys are saying is that the AI 200cc heads are equal to the afr 195's ot 180's?
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 31camaro
so what you guys are saying is that the AI 200cc heads are equal to the afr 195's ot 180's?

define "equal" as you use it here...
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by thehammer69
define "equal" as you use it here...
flow numbers, hp/tq numbers from head to head
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 31camaro
flow numbers, hp/tq numbers from head to head
In that case, I'm sure they are "equal" enough. Except I have a hunch that even though peak HP numbers should be similar, the AFR's would produce a superior torque curve. This is assuming of course that the user spec'd his build correctly.
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 10:22 AM
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what im wondering is if a ported 195 will be enough to properly supply a 396. if there is something better for what i want to do, let me know, i was thinking afr 227 but that looks a little more complicated than i was looking for
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ElkySS
what im wondering is if a ported 195 will be enough to properly supply a 396. if there is something better for what i want to do, let me know, i was thinking afr 227 but that looks a little more complicated than i was looking for
i would say yes, because from what i have read in the provided link they are a damn good performing head out of the box, and ported i bet they are even better
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ElkySS
what im wondering is if a ported 195 will be enough to properly supply a 396. if there is something better for what i want to do, let me know, i was thinking afr 227 but that looks a little more complicated than i was looking for
Short answer: Yes.
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Old Apr 26, 2010 | 11:33 AM
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long answer?
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