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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 01:17 PM
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MAF sensor. Also does anyone know of a good program that i can use to tune it myself?
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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 03:28 PM
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^^^ r you saying it was the maf sensor
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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 04:06 PM
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no. i was confused by what you asked anyway i am sure now that it needs a tune. it runs fine until it hits closed loop then it runs extremely rich
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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 05:50 PM
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Did you use O2 extensions or make your own????

After I installed headers I used old spliced extensions and after the car warmed up, it ran like crap. Car would spit and sputter.
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Old Oct 31, 2010 | 10:43 PM
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i used extensions. The car has 210,000 miles on it but made 270 wheel horse on the dyno a month ago before headers. I bought it last year and have no idea whats done to it. Everything appears to be stock so i think it was tuned previously and now that i removed my egr and air fittings and installed the headers,it needs a new tune because of the drastic change. What i am getting to is i think it was tuned good to the way it was and i changed it enough that it threw it off a ton.
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 12:30 AM
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my vote is to check the o2's
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 12:39 AM
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ya check the o2s and make sure your firing order is correct as far as plug wires go.. i deleted my egr w/out a tune after a header install and it runs fine
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 12:51 AM
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did take the egr stuff off the back of the intake and block it? or just leave it there and unhook it from the headers?
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 06:49 AM
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plugs are almost brand new, wires are brand new, firing order is correct, o2s are not throwing a code, i blocked the egr from exhaust to intake but left the vacuum thing on there for the egr, and i unhooked the hoses from the A.I.R. pump but left its connecter hooked up still.
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 06:50 AM
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also ill be at school til thursday this week with limited computer access so it may be thursday night before i answer. Thanks everyone for helping me so far i hope to have it fixed and back at school on the dyno soon
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 10:29 AM
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A pcmforless tune will cost you around 100$. Worth every penny IMO. When deleting EGR you need to block off both ports on the back of the intake, and get it tuned out.
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by taman86
well if the egr and AIR is disconnected then thats the problem. try reconnecting those and post back and see what happens
definatly not the problem lol

Originally Posted by speed_demon24
Get a tune.
^ answer to your issue lol


Originally Posted by transam5.7lt1
I think it has to do with your O2 sensors...
Nope......

Originally Posted by shix
i don't have the fittings for egr and air on my headers. Also i have no check engine light so i don't think its my o2 sensors. Could it be from lack of back pressure? I have glass packs after the headers and that is it. So about 28 inches of pipe after the collectors
nope not the O2's the O2's will not affect it at WOT also.......


Originally Posted by shix
i blocked off where the egr came from the exhaust to the intake. What else do i need to block off? That was the only thing i removed when i took the old manifolds off
yep thats it

Originally Posted by mrchyzy16
maybe you melted a plug wire or two on the headers??
nope it would be popping like a bag of orville redenbacher....not running rich

Originally Posted by myk
Are there AIR ports to block off also? I dunno, though. EGR, AIR and 02 stuff should throw codes....
nope.....just rip all that crap off its useless lol

Originally Posted by ~BuMps AloT~
Get a tune! Contact madz28 or pcmforless both have a good reputation.
2nd correct answer lol

Originally Posted by shix
MAF sensor. Also does anyone know of a good program that i can use to tune it myself?
you can use LT1 Edit I've always used it with good results......no more on mine though got the good ole XFI

Originally Posted by rat93
ya check the o2s and make sure your firing order is correct as far as plug wires go.. i deleted my egr w/out a tune after a header install and it runs fine
nope again it would be popping and farting.....

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A pcmforless tune will cost you around 100$. Worth every penny IMO. When deleting EGR you need to block off both ports on the back of the intake, and get it tuned out.
Yes this is your issue........I've seen cars react differently to headers.......realize something more air out = more air in......at WOT the car is now entering a section of the MAF table where it has not been and depending on the values it may run rich or lean......I have a friend with a 94 that he put headers on and he came to me asking why it was dumping black smoke at WOT......his MAF histogram was off at WOT.......

Your O2's will affect the motor at part throttle and idle which it should correct itself for however at WOT the ECM goes into open loop and does NOT look at the O2's so melted wire/bad O2 will not matter........

You need to delete your EGR AIR codes/parameters.......also change your cat overtemp paramters and finally tune that MAF table to get it dialed in.....if you know the AFR its at now which if its like my buddies it prob around 10.8ish you do the simple math and scale the MAF histo in that spot and your good to go..........

This is 100% the issue.....

Hope this helps
Mike
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 11:10 AM
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I don't think it's the tune. I'm still thinking the plug wires need to be looked at very closely to see if any are burnt. Even with burnt wires the engine will idle fine, but once under load will short out on the headers and make the engine missfire. One way you can tell it's the 02's is if the car runs normally up until operating temperature is reached.
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
I don't think it's the tune. I'm still thinking the plug wires need to be looked at very closely to see if any are burnt. Even with burnt wires the engine will idle fine, but once under load will short out on the headers and make the engine missfire. One way you can tell it's the 02's is if the car runs normally up until operating temperature is reached.
That's only partially true. My buddy has a 96 Impala SS. One of his wires got burnt through, and he got a miss at idle and under any engine load the car would have a miss. Under WOT the car felt fine but it was slower than usual with no black smoke ect.
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 01:24 PM
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Depends on how many are burnt if any at all. This is a chronic pattern where someone installs headers and then complains about either misfires or backfiring only to find out several plug wires are burnt or put in the wrong order.
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 05:31 PM
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I forgot about the plug wires. A buddy of mine, his Z acted funny after it got hot. Give it gas and it'd stumble for a second and then take off. Found out all of his wires were just old. At night, you could pop his hood and watch the cool light show.
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Old Nov 1, 2010 | 11:44 PM
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It could be something unrelated to the header install such as the fuel pressure regulator that just took a dump in my car.
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Old Nov 2, 2010 | 12:43 AM
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Try running LT4 KM maybe its pulling too much timing with the LT1 KM. After i did my headers i did not get a tune and it runs excellent. Like some people have said i think either you cracked a plug or wire burned too close to headers and melted.
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Old Nov 4, 2010 | 08:23 PM
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im gonna buy new plugs and wires (even though mine have maybe 5000 miles on them) then ill update you guys. I hope they are the problem because i want to get some driving in before it gets to cold out.
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Old Nov 5, 2010 | 08:00 PM
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well i got the plugs out am doing some other things while i have the car in the air. The passenger side had some burnt plug wires, also all the passenger side plugs are coal black?
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