Need Ramair intake setup for 97 firebird!
ZERO Gains until you get to at least 70+ mph. It has been proven over and over again that the ram air setup does NOT make any more hp or tq on the dyno as the effectiveness of the ram air does not come into play until speed as said above, therefore there is no way to accurately measure. The gains you are feeling are subjective at best. Sorry for the rant, but don't mislead someone by a statement like that. That being said, I have the ram air and love the way it looks as you can't beat the LT1 ram air lines IMO.
So prove me wrong.
There may be small gains but I have to agree with Dave 00. The CAIs have enough CFM to supply the engine on the dyno. The WS6 airbox gains are at speed, in the 1/4 mile, street races etc
So, it makes a difference in the real world, and (suppsoedly) not on a dyno, so it can't make much of a difference right? When I switched from a moroso cai to my ls1 ws6 base and lid set up, I noticed gains from the start, full throttle in 1st gear resulted in wheel spin at any time, any speed, any rpm. Shift to second with the cai I could get a revolution or two of spin, with the lid set-up, the first third of the gear. At the track I picked up 3mph and 2 tenths. Car had a lot more in it, but I already had a hard time launching it, and the gains just maid it harder for me. My best time on street tires with it was a 13.5 @ 107 on a 2.2 short time. Ram air makes a difference everywhere, biggest reason is it's a straight shot to the throttle body, and a lot better air, (more of it, and a lot cooler). My manifold would also get slightly pressurized at speed(60+), and also IAT of ambiant or ambiant -1 or 2 degrees, and can out flow a cai
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And you could easily go the LS1 lid route for under 100 bucks. A lower airbox should be around 20 or so, the lid should be around 50 and the coupler/air filter should round out the 100 bucks
ZERO Gains until you get to at least 70+ mph. It has been proven over and over again that the ram air setup does NOT make any more hp or tq on the dyno as the effectiveness of the ram air does not come into play until speed as said above, therefore there is no way to accurately measure. The gains you are feeling are subjective at best. Sorry for the rant, but don't mislead someone by a statement like that. That being said, I have the ram air and love the way it looks as you can't beat the LT1 ram air lines IMO.
Nice pic man, but take a pic of the baffles in the hood and then you'll see the restrictions that make it equal to the CAI. Let me reiterate, I have the Ram Air setup (obviously) and love it, but I'm just stating the facts. Ram Air makes ZERO difference on the Dyno and maybe some real world difference but with variations in track temps, air quality and weather it is very hard to quantify.
my current ghetto setup - only because the WS6 box / LS1 lid setup wont fit under my stock hood. car runs great and I have yet to see temps rise above 165* even sitting in stopped traffic for over an hour... it is winter however
I have a LT1 airbox as well as a LS1 base with a SLP lid - once the local speed shop gets their dyno setup (expected first or second week of Jan), I plan to do a back-to-back-to-back comparison with two 4000cfm fans blowing. One aimed where the LT1 WS6 hood openings would be and the other under the bumper pointing at the air dam. I know this may not be completely accurate but since I have all three intakes in hand, I may as well use the one that gives the most hp/tq and sell the other
I have a LT1 airbox as well as a LS1 base with a SLP lid - once the local speed shop gets their dyno setup (expected first or second week of Jan), I plan to do a back-to-back-to-back comparison with two 4000cfm fans blowing. One aimed where the LT1 WS6 hood openings would be and the other under the bumper pointing at the air dam. I know this may not be completely accurate but since I have all three intakes in hand, I may as well use the one that gives the most hp/tq and sell the other
my current ghetto setup - only because the WS6 box / LS1 lid setup wont fit under my stock hood. car runs great and I have yet to see temps rise above 165* even sitting in stopped traffic for over an hour... it is winter however
I have a LT1 airbox as well as a LS1 base with a SLP lid - once the local speed shop gets their dyno setup (expected first or second week of Jan), I plan to do a back-to-back-to-back comparison with two 4000cfm fans blowing. One aimed where the LT1 WS6 hood openings would be and the other under the bumper pointing at the air dam. I know this may not be completely accurate but since I have all three intakes in hand, I may as well use the one that gives the most hp/tq and sell the other
I have a LT1 airbox as well as a LS1 base with a SLP lid - once the local speed shop gets their dyno setup (expected first or second week of Jan), I plan to do a back-to-back-to-back comparison with two 4000cfm fans blowing. One aimed where the LT1 WS6 hood openings would be and the other under the bumper pointing at the air dam. I know this may not be completely accurate but since I have all three intakes in hand, I may as well use the one that gives the most hp/tq and sell the other
lets see with mine "ls1 lid swap no baffles & aftermarket ramair hood" Datamaster confirms i get ambient to-1 degree IAT readings so if its 75 degree outside i get 75 degree air at TB ,quicker throttle response, Straightened air flow , denser o2 enriched intake charge , slight manifold pressure @ 70+mph
str8 air flow Ftw!
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Thanks for the info and some of the pics! looks like some people need to research before they go and start taking stuff off and deleting stuff! As for the dyno sheets I can see where ram air would be wrong because you are not forcing the air in to it like it was designed for! I dont really want to fabricate something at time. My apartments like to bitch about me working on my car so I try to keep major mods or repairs to a minimum, until I can get it to a buddies house. Just trying to get input about performance difference on the street!!
