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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 04:34 PM
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Ok. I have a set of the infamous Ebay headers on the way. (Please do not flame them. I understand you get what you pay for and I know what to expect. I was gonna go with something else but just cant spit out the coin right now and am gonna have the car ripped apart next weekend. I want to install them then.)

However after ordering I noticed they have 1 5/8" primaries that step up to 1 3/4". My old pacesetters were 1 3/4" all the way. How much power can the 5/8" primaries support before losing power?

Also Im gonna be running the 3" y pipe that will feed into my stock 2 3/4" i pipe. That flows into a flowtech afterburner muffler and out the stock tailpipes and tips. This is just gonna be a temporary setup until I can get some good duals ran out the back. How much power can a single 2 3/4 inch pipe support before becoming a restriction? Im not gonna run a cutout because I dont race my car and Im not gonna run a dumped race muffler.

In the end I want to run exhaust out the back with an X pipe and dual flowtech afterburners or Pypes Racepros at the rear bumper. Should tuck nice or I may BFH under the rear seats and place the mufflers there.
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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 09:40 PM
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1 5/8 primaries are ok for a mild 350.
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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 09:48 PM
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1 5/8 is bigger than your factory manifold and it will support ~500rwhp on a turbo setup without too much problem. So unless you are trying to scavenge every last point of power from the upper reaches of hell on the tacometer, you'll be fine. Also the 2 3/4 is going to be the killer. You need atleast 3.5 inches of single i-pipe to match the flow of the two 3 inch header collectors.
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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 09:51 PM
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1 5/8 is bigger than your factory manifold and it will support ~500rwhp on a turbo setup without too much problem. So unless you are trying to scavenge every last point of power from the upper reaches of hell on the tacometer, you'll be fine. Also the 2 3/4 is going to be the killer. You need atleast 3.5 inches of single i-pipe to match the flow of the two 3 inch header collectors.
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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 09:52 PM
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You shouldnt lose anything from the headers. The step might actually give you more torque then anything.

stock exhaust pipeing will probably support in the 300hp range.

What are your HP goals ? its alot easier to run a single 3" out the back then true duels. but to each there own. GL
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Old Jun 1, 2011 | 09:57 PM
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You shouldnt lose anything from the headers. The step might actually give you more torque then anything.

stock exhaust pipeing will probably support in the 300hp range.

What are your HP goals ? its alot easier to run a single 3" out the back then true duels. but to each there own. GL
Right now Im just going with full bolt ons. I want duals for the sound. I hate the rasp you get from a single pipe. I can get duals built for around the same price as a nice catback, and dont want to waste money on a catback since I am planning on duals. I like to eventually do a 355 nitrous build but thats gonna be way in the future. At most I may put a kit on this motor and run a 100 shot.
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dual 2.5" pipes will be more than enough flow for you. Until then the stock I-pipe will not hurt you in any way. Once you get to about 400 FWHP it will cause a restriction. Plus the dual 2.5" is alot easier to package than a dual 3". even a single 3" will support full bolt-ons and a 100 shot. Exhaust tuning is a science that is not thought of very much, but you can pick up 5-6 hp on a mild setup. On a 600 rwhp BBC we picked up about 20 rwhp with tuning a turn down exhaust. Left side was about 3" longer than the right, but it helped a ton! G/L
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Old Jun 2, 2011 | 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by duh
dual 2.5" pipes will be more than enough flow for you. Until then the stock I-pipe will not hurt you in any way. Once you get to about 400 FWHP it will cause a restriction. Plus the dual 2.5" is alot easier to package than a dual 3". even a single 3" will support full bolt-ons and a 100 shot. Exhaust tuning is a science that is not thought of very much, but you can pick up 5-6 hp on a mild setup. On a 600 rwhp BBC we picked up about 20 rwhp with tuning a turn down exhaust. Left side was about 3" longer than the right, but it helped a ton! G/L
I could not agree more. Most people(including exhaust shops) think an exhaust that is just a piece of pipe that can be any length and any angle and will perform perfectly. Well they be wrong. Exhaust design is an art and even more important than intake design. Because while you are only moving approximately 60% of the air out the engine in spent exhaust vs bringing it in, you can only shove so much into a given space. Then the laws of physics comes into play and fluid dynamics says that only so much area can be occupied before beginning to restrict flow performance.(ie. think of your tub when its clean vs a small hair clog) the main thing to remember OP is that as long as you are moving exhaust gas the car will perform, but if you don't optimize your exhaust to match your combination of cam, head and fuel you could be leaving up to 30 rwhp and 1k rpms on the table with a mild bolton motor(less than 550fwhp).
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Thanks guys. Im just gonna keep my current planned setup with boltons. When and if I ever build the motor, or add a cam Ill do the duals then. I actually really like how my flowtech muffler sounds but I dont know how its gonna change once I do longtubes.
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Originally Posted by IronOutlaw
Thanks guys. Im just gonna keep my current planned setup with boltons. When and if I ever build the motor, or add a cam Ill do the duals then. I actually really like how my flowtech muffler sounds but I dont know how its gonna change once I do longtubes.
The sound will get deeper and louder thats for sure. You wont notice a real power increase however with that stock piping after the headers..
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Not to hijack, but ironoutlaw. Just realized you were from athens. Im over here in Cartersville. Do you know of any reputable tuners for the lt1 platform?
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Not to hijack, but ironoutlaw. Just realized you were from athens. Im over here in Cartersville. Do you know of any reputable tuners for the lt1 platform?
Ive heard great things about Atlanta Chassis dyno in Convington. I also heard that DAMIAN, a member here who owns Spartan Performance can tune OBD1 cars but not OBD2.
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Old Jun 3, 2011 | 08:22 AM
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Ok. Im a 95 car so obd1 it is. Haha.
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