LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

MSD vs Accel vs GM.....the opti debate.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 09:56 AM
  #21  
Sc0tt30's Avatar
Launching!
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 267
Likes: 1
From: Smithton, IL
Default

I always used the AC Delco opti and never had a problem with the opti going out on me. Maybe I was just lucky to not have issues with the opti.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:02 AM
  #22  
RamAir95TA's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 9,467
Likes: 8
From: South Jersey
Default

Originally Posted by bufmatmuslepants
Another good point for the MSD is the ability to adjust the timing + or - 5 degrees, although I dont think Ive found ANYONE who has actually used that. I might use it for when I spray though, unless I can find a cheap 6AL
There's a reason no one uses the screw. It's an essentially useless feature.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 11:16 AM
  #23  
96capricemgr's Avatar
11 Second Club
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 11,975
Likes: 15
Default

It is worse than useless it creates a lot of additional room for error and failure.

The OP has a 94 which unless converted is unvented. IMO at that he should run a delco base with an MSD cap and rotor because that will add a vent for him.

To the few who swear the MSD complete opti is the way to go. What specific failures of the stocker did you have and at what mileage were they? Then has the MSD resolved those issues and how long has it been run?

We see a LOT of folks who neglect an opti for 100K+ than have a cap and rotor wear out. Then whatever they bought next that has been run for a fraction the mileage is automatically the best thing ever despite not having tested is as long yet?
Also rather laughable that the guy pushing the MSD turns a whopping 6200 when several others of us posting here are turning stockers nearer 7000.

The MSD cap and rotor seem good but there have been a lot of issues with the base. MANY opti "issues" can be traced back to neglect, unvented units, plugged vent lines, improper install, or just that they were wet and people bought into the blind opti hate without ever letting it dry out at which point it would have run again like any other distributor.

I have handled the MSD complete unit, took it off a guys car and put an AutoZone reman on to get the car running.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2012 | 12:06 PM
  #24  
BIGCAT7274's Avatar
TECH Enthusiast
 
Joined: Oct 2011
Posts: 556
Likes: 0
From: Apopka FL
Default

We went 9.90's with a stock opti before I converted to a regular dist.
Reply
Old Apr 4, 2015 | 02:46 PM
  #25  
Redracecar94's Avatar
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Default

This is an excellent string. I've been through a lot of opti issues, from stock to Chandler to Dynaspark. But I think the Delco opti with MSD Cap & Rotor may finally turn the trick. Actually, I meant Delphi as Delco no longer available, right?
My block is 1996 LT4 stroked to 396 by NuTech Motorsports (remember that guy Nick Norris? I actually got my motor, unlike some, and it's quite strong, no issues really. Should turn 430 rwhp with new stepped headers & TD's. Where to buy that Delphi? Any recommended venders? Thanks!
Reply
Old Apr 7, 2015 | 08:17 PM
  #26  
93Z2871805's Avatar
TECH Fanatic
Veteran: Air Force
15 Year Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 1,736
Likes: 50
Default

Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
The MSD cap and rotor seem good but there have been a lot of issues with the base.
Truth. I bought one that cracked near the drive seal at ~500 miles. I have a friend that has 2 and swaps/rebuilds between the 2 when one 's the bed.
Reply
Old Apr 7, 2015 | 09:18 PM
  #27  
Redracecar94's Avatar
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Default Cracked MSD base

Thanks for sharing that...just what I needed as I wondered about matching Delphi to MSD cap & rotor vs going all Delco/Delphi or all MSD. THERE's a lot more shared here than I knew...like the problem could be a bad vibration/harmonic coming out of my engine...or the wrong length on the cam bearing. I'm going to check everything out discussed here. I did have great luck with the Delteq...ran perfect for years until the brain died & the company went out of business. My engine has been eating Opti ever since. I am lucky to get weeks, a few hundred miles...have bought Delco from GM Dealer, Chandler cheapie, but never tried the MSD. I shift around 6,700 but occasionally hit 7,000. I'm hoping the stronger MSD bearing will help. FTR I don't run anything extra like 6AL box. I do have an old Hypertech coil. Probably should replace with stock coil though it never affected the Delteq at all. .
Reply
Old Apr 7, 2015 | 09:42 PM
  #28  
RallyBoy's Avatar
Launching!
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 223
Likes: 0
From: Dallas, Texas
Default

Rebuild the one you have. I bought a reman from autozone and I made sure that it had the mitsu sensor. Then I ordered a cap and rotor from ebay for $25....been working ever since.
Reply
LS1 Tech Stories

The Best V8 Stories One Small Block at Time

story-0

Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

 Verdad Gallardo
story-1

Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

 Pouria Savadkouei
story-2

Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

 
story-3

Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

 Verdad Gallardo
story-4

Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

 Verdad Gallardo
story-5

Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

 Verdad Gallardo
story-6

10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

 
story-7

10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

 Verdad Gallardo
story-8

Five Reasons the Camaro Was the Most Pivotal Player in the Pony Car Wars 2.0

 Brett Foote
story-9

10 Reasons the LS7 Is GM's Most Extreme Naturally Aspirated V8 Engine Ever

 Verdad Gallardo
Old Apr 8, 2015 | 12:25 PM
  #29  
Redracecar94's Avatar
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Default Rebuilt Autozone

Wow, if you did that on a 383 and it worked I'm thinking for real my problem is not the Opti but a flaw in my engine or somewhere in the electrical system that likes to destroy opti's. Like I said I've gone through like candy. It can't be all bad opti's. At least one was 100% dealer purchased Delco factory. Not cheap either.
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2015 | 12:59 PM
  #30  
ahritchie's Avatar
TECH Addict
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 2,241
Likes: 1
From: Charlotte NC
Default

Originally Posted by Redracecar94
Wow, if you did that on a 383 and it worked I'm thinking for real my problem is not the Opti but a flaw in my engine or somewhere in the electrical system that likes to destroy opti's. Like I said I've gone through like candy. It can't be all bad opti's. At least one was 100% dealer purchased Delco factory. Not cheap either.
I doubt it....as discussed, all optis are **** other than a AC delco or MSD. Was the AC delco vented? Did you install the vent lines? (I feel many of my opti issues were from using the unvented version...GM redesigned the opti for good reason) AC delco also has at least a year warranty. I'd take it back to the dealership and get a return/replacement. Or try a MSD...
Reply
Old Apr 8, 2015 | 05:53 PM
  #31  
Redracecar94's Avatar
Teching In
 
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Default

Yep. All my opti's have been vented as I'm running a newer 1996 block and yes the vent lines were installed.
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2015 | 06:06 PM
  #32  
fresh one's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Default MSD cap & rotor kit

Ok so I bought the msd cap & rotor kit for my unvented gm opti so it becomes vented. The msd instructions are vague. It doesn't say whether to reuse or eliminate the optical cover (the thin metal dish). Does anyone know what I should do?
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2015 | 06:41 PM
  #33  
Dirty_Bird's Avatar
TECH Apprentice
 
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 369
Likes: 3
From: Murica
Default

Id personally reuse it
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2015 | 06:49 PM
  #34  
fresh one's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Default

Ok so I did put the "dish" in and reassembled it but the think rattled around like a *itch so I bent the 3 small metal tabs so it fit snug. I think I'm good now. Not real impressed with these GM remanufactured optis...
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2015 | 07:28 PM
  #35  
Dirty_Bird's Avatar
TECH Apprentice
 
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 369
Likes: 3
From: Murica
Default

Im pretty sure the msd one is made of plastic
Reply
Old Nov 4, 2015 | 07:40 PM
  #36  
fresh one's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 6
Likes: 0
Default

The msd cap and rotor kit comes with the cap and rotor not the optical sensor cover or any other internals.
Reply




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:59 AM.

story-0
Retro Modern Bandit Pontiac Trans AM Comes With Burt Reynolds' Autograph

Slideshow: A modern Camaro transformed into a retro icon, this limited-run "Bandit" build blends nostalgia with brute force in a way few revivals manage.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-04-21 13:57:02


VIEW MORE
story-1
Top 10 Greatest Cadillac V Series Performance Models Ever, Ranked

Slideshow: Cadillac didn't just crash the high-performance luxury vehicle party, it showed up loud, supercharged, and occasionally a little unhinged...

By Pouria Savadkouei | 2026-04-16 10:05:15


VIEW MORE
story-2
Top 10 Most Powerful Chevy Trucks Ever Made!

Slideshow: Top ten most powerful Chevy trucks ever made

By | 2026-03-25 09:22:26


VIEW MORE
story-3
Hennessey's New Supercharged Silverado ZR2 Has 700 HP

Slideshow: Hennessey has turned the Silverado ZR2 into a 700-hp off-road monster with supercharged V8 power and a limited production run.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-24 18:57:52


VIEW MORE
story-4
Coachbuilt N2A Anteros Is an LS2-Powered C6 Corvette In Italian Clothes

Slideshow: A one-off sports car that looks like a vintage Italian exotic-but hides a C6 Corvette underneath-just sold for the price of a new mid-engine Corvette.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-23 18:53:41


VIEW MORE
story-5
Awesome K5 Blazer Restomod Comes With C7 Corvette Power

Slideshow: A heavily reworked 1972 K5 Blazer swaps its off-road roots for a low-slung street-focused build with modern V8 power.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-03-09 18:08:45


VIEW MORE
story-6
10 Camaros You Should Never Buy

Slideshow: There are thousands of used Camaros on the market but we think you should avoid these 10

By | 2026-02-17 17:09:30


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 LS Engine Myths That Refuse to Die

Slideshows: Which one of these myths do you believe?

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-28 18:10:11


VIEW MORE
story-8
Five Reasons the Camaro Was the Most Pivotal Player in the Pony Car Wars 2.0

The world was a better place when it was still around.

By Brett Foote | 2026-01-23 09:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-9
10 Reasons the LS7 Is GM's Most Extreme Naturally Aspirated V8 Engine Ever

Slideshow: The 7.0-liter LS7 was designed for absolute cutting-edge performance.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-01-07 18:36:00


VIEW MORE