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Old Sep 19, 2014 | 11:40 PM
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What starters are you guys using? I've been running an LT4 starter but the Duralast ones just don't seem to last. They arent breaking but they arent on the car long before i have to start hitting them with a hammer. Running 11.4CR in a 396
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Have you run a larger battery cable? I found the stock starter with an 0gauge cable to be fine at 245psi cranking.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 07:30 AM
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Stock starter here with a 235 Psi cold cranking 383 with a zero gauge wire and battery located in the rear. Correct me if I'm wrong but the factory starter is already a good gear reduction starter.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 07:55 AM
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Correct.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 09:02 AM
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You are probably under powering the starter causing problems.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 11:04 AM
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As I recall, the Corvette LT4 starter is a higher torque version.

And yes, battery cables need to be thick and in good condition-including the negative to block cable.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 11:09 AM
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Yes the LT4 got a super special magical piece, but that doesn't mean we should be asking a starter to crank over even more compression than stock LT4 with 20 year old undersized battery cables.

The point we were trying to make was that even the lowly POS LT1 junk can do the trick if you give it a proper power supply.

I agree with the poster that suggested the OP is likely causing the LT4 starter damage with small stock cables.
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Old Sep 20, 2014 | 11:26 AM
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as mentioned a heavier gauge quality battery cable & grounds if you still have original cables would be recommended. Innovative Wiring is one source for a quality set

http://innovativewiring.com/?page_id=182

FWIW the LT4 aka "Vette" starter from autozone is a OSGR (Off Set Gear Reduction) type.

The LT1 starter is a PMGR (Permanent Magnet Gear Reduction) type
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I guess that brings me to another question. While I'm at it, I might as well go ahead and relocate the battery to the trunk. Is there a kit out there that yall have used that worked good or did yall just have to piece something together?
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No kit will work well IMO.

Buy the box, and cutoff switch then wire it all up with quality stuff. I have 1/0 from switch to starter and 1/0 from alternator to battery, then a block to chassis 1/0 and a battery ground to chassis 1/0.

Its gonna be a pretty penny when done correct.
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I am running 13.5:1 compression on a Duralast LT4 starter for a few years now, no problems, cranks right up. As others said, I would check the grounds and battery cables.
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I've put about 3 of those on there. They all do the same thing. they work great for a little while. Then it stops turning until i hit it with a hammer. I'm convinced its the battery cables
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Yeah - all that with the cable hygiene, and don't forget there are tables in the pcm for you to retard the timing when cranking the engine - maybe a little less timing would help you a bit. Also, if it is a warm start problem due to headers, get some heat shielding on there. When/if you do battery in the trunk, consider running the ground cable all the way up front - while it is not entirely necessary and adds a little weight, your old steel frame might not be such a wonderful conductor as a new copper cable when several hundred amps needs to get through, and each connection usually introduces another voltage drop.
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Originally Posted by ElkySS
...Then it stops turning until i hit it with a hammer. I'm convinced its the battery cables
Hitting the starter with a hammer then it works is a sign that the problem is the cables??



There are several decent battery re-location kits on the market:

http://www.texas-speed.com/p-4189-me...ation-kit.aspx

http://www.texas-speed.com/p-794-bmr...ion-mount.aspx
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Old Sep 21, 2014 | 11:48 AM
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As I recall, the Corvette LT4 starter is a higher torque version.

And yes, battery cables need to be thick and in good condition-including the negative to block cable.
The 93 base vette has an offset gear reduction starter. From what I understand it fits 92-96 vettes. I think NAPA can get a new one for about $150
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Why move the battery?
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
Why move the battery?
I was planning on it anyway any I dont want to buy cables twice.
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Originally Posted by Paul Bell
Hitting the starter with a hammer then it works is a sign that the problem is the cables??
No but too low amperage can cause problems with the starter that might not show up right away. I dont know what else it could be at this point. 3 starters all doing the same thing.

Is that the kit you used? I like how the ends are already put on but are they the right length?

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Why we're you planning to move it. In a street car I just don't see it being worth the hassle and lost space.
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It's moving more in the direction of a street/strip car. plus i want to use that space for a nitrous fuel cell in the future. I may just get lazy and just replace the factory cables.
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