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How do you justify one TB over another

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Old Jul 30, 2017 | 09:12 PM
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Looking into TB's 58mm only.

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Summit $200
Professional Products $230
Trick Flow $260
BBK $320
Holly $415


I'd be willing to pay for functional quality. I'm NOT paying for fancy AS&M price for some billet piece. I need a highly functional 58mm that works.

I accept the need for the "drill mod" based on viewing IAC values etc.
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Old Jul 30, 2017 | 09:38 PM
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I use the Holley and BBK without issues, prof. products is a lower cost copy I have NO experience with but for the price I would be game... in fact there are a few on eBay under 200.00
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Old Jul 30, 2017 | 09:59 PM
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In before "you don't need a 58mm TB" posts.

I bought my BBK used years ago, and it's given me no trouble at all. It did not require drilling the IAC hole or any other modification, and holds an idle very well with my cam.
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 06:01 AM
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Thanks guys. Not looking for people that think I do or don't need a 58mm lol...notice how I didn't ask that question

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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 07:03 AM
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Notice how the IAC passages are on this Holley vs BBK. The BBK IAC is connected directly to the plenum while the Holley is sealed off like stock. The BBK style is more likely to give you split BLMs.

Downside of the Holley is that there is no stopper and pushing the gas pedal all the way down will put the TPS voltage out of bounds. I have one and had to make a stopper to prevent it from opening beyond 100%.



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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 07:27 AM
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Good pictures. Thank You.

It's odd Holley doesn't have a stop...it's actually quite stupid if you can potentially damage your TPS with no mechanical hard stop.

Is that shared passage with the plenum the reason I read people inserting a brass tube to seal that area off? And or enlarging the hole by small increments after looking at IAC counts?
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 07:48 AM
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Yeah, it was pretty annoying too because it would send the TPS to 5v+ and throw a code at WOT. And yes, that's why people insert a brass tube or make inserts to separate the IAC passages from the plenum. Some throttle bodies can also be used for L98s which don't have dedicated IAC ports like the LT1.

I had to drill up to the next size with my Holley to get enough idle air with my h/c 383. You can crack the throttle blades open rather doing this but it will only make idle splits worse. I managed to get the Holley to close/open without sticking by doing some light filing to the butterfly edges and careful assembly. It was a lot more work than I anticipated for something that costs over $400 but it did reduce my idle split down to about 8-10 units although there's still room for improvement.
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 08:59 AM
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It's surprising that something costing $400 still needs some modification to work...

I'd be curious to know why BBK and Holley have such (what seems to be ) fairly important feature differences. One connects IAC port to plenum and one does not.
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Originally Posted by smitty2919
It's surprising that something costing $400 still needs some modification to work...
My guess is because they are not LT1 specific.
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The Holley is made specifically for the LT1 and the issues I had with it were from poor design/manufacturing. Not surprised that an aftermarket part needed some massaging. Thankfully I got it fairly cheap as a scratch and dent on their ebay page. My combo needed a larger TB because the stock one seemed to hit a wall beyond 330 g/sec. I guess it was worth the hassle in my case.
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by SS RRR
My guess is because they are not LT1 specific.
What else would they fit? Most advertise as 94-97 Camaro/Firebird 5.7L 350 LT1
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 03:01 PM
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I think the BBK's fit the older TPI vehicles as well. I would have purchased the Holley for my 97 Z if I had known about the split blm's on the BBK unit. I did the "mod" on the BBK and now it whistles a little off idle. Almost sounds like a suercharger whine... so it's ok I guess lol!
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Catmaigne
Notice how the IAC passages are on this Holley vs BBK. The BBK IAC is connected directly to the plenum while the Holley is sealed off like stock. The BBK style is more likely to give you split BLMs.
My BBK has a sealed IAC passage, but I've had it for a number of years. In any case, regardless of brand, it's an undesirable design feature.
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 04:16 PM
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Chances are that Summit, PP, and TF are all the same unit.

The back of the Summit one, from Summit's site:
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Yes, you will have to drill a (stock sized) hole through it if it's sealed. If you don't your PCM will have to adjust which can take massive amounts of start cycles. I didn't realize my Accell billet was sealed for nearly 17 years and hated resetting the PCM because the engine would stall all the time when coming to a stop until the PCM learned. Drilled the hole and the problem went away.
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 05:05 PM
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It was my understanding that you want a sealed IAC passage design (like the Holley) and simply drill the hole to correct any issue since the stock TB is sealed with a hole.

Is this not correct?
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 05:10 PM
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Anyone had experience with the summit brand TB?

is the cost of the monoblade by arizona speed worth it?
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I don't think I was clear. There should be an IAC passage for sure, but there should also be a hole in the indention on the bottom center of the TB that goes through the TB front to back. i just don't remember the diameter. It is critical you do not oversize that hole or it could lead to idle issues.
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 05:34 PM
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Understood. I agree with the small hole inside the passage. My clarification is with the need for the additional milling joining the IAC hole with both TB holes:

Sealed passage (preferred?? drilling hole may be required)


Additional milling (not preferred and needs brass tube insert?? drilling hole may be required)
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Old Jul 31, 2017 | 05:40 PM
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I don't think so. I don't think mine is:

Not my pic.

If I'm not mistaken, the IAC hole seats with a port on the manifold that is then plumbed to each intake runner. Not 100% positive on that.
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