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02-03-2006, 10:22 PM
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Crane Cams Why don't more people seem to run crane cams? If you are running one what do you think of it? 222 / 230 .509 / .529 112 LSA I was thinking of getting that one this summer instead of the cc503 it's very similar.
02-03-2006, 11:38 PM
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Have a crane 234/242 .539/.558
http://www.cranecams.com/?show=brows...tType=camshaft
its the same as the GM 847
From what a few people have told me Crane makes alot of the GM cams....not sure if its true but one guy did work for GM as a parts guy..
http://www.cranecams.com/?show=brows...tType=camshaft
its the same as the GM 847
From what a few people have told me Crane makes alot of the GM cams....not sure if its true but one guy did work for GM as a parts guy..
02-04-2006, 09:09 AM
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Look at people's combos Crane cams work and guys often go faster with a "small" Crane than they do with the bigger Comps. Not saying Comp is bad they are just "better" about supplying people with too much cam and then compromising it so it can be streetable, in doing so though they hurt performance and all the owner gets out of the big cam over a smaller one is bragging rights about how big his cam is 
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Yes the GMPP cams are ground by Crane including the HOT.
.Yes the GMPP cams are ground by Crane including the HOT.
02-04-2006, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
Look at people's combos Crane cams work and guys often go faster with a "small" Crane than they do with the bigger Comps. Not saying Comp is bad they are just "better" about supplying people with too much cam and then compromising it so it can be streetable, in doing so though they hurt performance and all the owner gets out of the big cam over a smaller one is bragging rights about how big his cam is .
Yes the GMPP cams are ground by Crane including the HOT.
.Yes the GMPP cams are ground by Crane including the HOT.
The company doesn't supply anyone with more cam than needed....the customer makes a decision, and Comp happens to have a much wider selection.
Just my .02.
02-04-2006, 12:05 PM
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Maybe I should have stated it differntly how about this Comp does better marketting part of that is offering a huge selection of cams many of which they compromise with 114 LSAs and such which lets the ignorant have their big cam yet not come back bitching it doesn't drive well.
I could point you at a couple of b-bodies with amazing perfomenace out of 212-214 intake Comp cams and ported iron heads and a whole lot with so so performance out of much larger cams but good idles. I read a great article by Vizard about how basocally all the off the shelf stuff is compromised. He doesn't put it this way but I will "to account for customer stupidity". I will see if I can find it again. Goes on about how 1 degree too wide a LSA can hurt torque 20ft.lbs right through the powerband and frankly 112 is already wider than necessary on most cams.
Also that list you pointed me towards starts at 218 intake duration I don't call that small that is already getting a little bigger than many should run in a daily driver.
I went 13.2 at 101.3 first night out with my headers, 208/221 cam, 3.42s, 2800 stall, 28" tall MTs(too tall for the gears) and this was at 4300 lbs or so, good weather and some fuel issues. Ran lean up top, added a fuel pump relay harness and now it it too rich on that same tune. Some of the guys keep a working site with mods and ETs listed and out of a few hundred cars this puits me as second cam only car just a few thousandsths behind a HOT cammed car.
I firmly believe people could go faster if they didn't get macho and have to have such big cams. I am going to what I consider to be an aggressive track targetted setup and it will only be mid 220s on the intake and below 112 on the LSA, for a daily driver b-body I would say mid to low 21X, lighter f-body sure go a few degrees more but the 230+ seems silly especially with the wider LSAs and such people do to make them livable on the street. Now you go truely custom like Bretts cams and such and things change he concentrates on putting the lobes in the right place and whatnot, my comments are more aimed at the off the shelf stuff.
I could point you at a couple of b-bodies with amazing perfomenace out of 212-214 intake Comp cams and ported iron heads and a whole lot with so so performance out of much larger cams but good idles. I read a great article by Vizard about how basocally all the off the shelf stuff is compromised. He doesn't put it this way but I will "to account for customer stupidity". I will see if I can find it again. Goes on about how 1 degree too wide a LSA can hurt torque 20ft.lbs right through the powerband and frankly 112 is already wider than necessary on most cams.
Also that list you pointed me towards starts at 218 intake duration I don't call that small that is already getting a little bigger than many should run in a daily driver.
I went 13.2 at 101.3 first night out with my headers, 208/221 cam, 3.42s, 2800 stall, 28" tall MTs(too tall for the gears) and this was at 4300 lbs or so, good weather and some fuel issues. Ran lean up top, added a fuel pump relay harness and now it it too rich on that same tune. Some of the guys keep a working site with mods and ETs listed and out of a few hundred cars this puits me as second cam only car just a few thousandsths behind a HOT cammed car.
I firmly believe people could go faster if they didn't get macho and have to have such big cams. I am going to what I consider to be an aggressive track targetted setup and it will only be mid 220s on the intake and below 112 on the LSA, for a daily driver b-body I would say mid to low 21X, lighter f-body sure go a few degrees more but the 230+ seems silly especially with the wider LSAs and such people do to make them livable on the street. Now you go truely custom like Bretts cams and such and things change he concentrates on putting the lobes in the right place and whatnot, my comments are more aimed at the off the shelf stuff.
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02-04-2006, 12:41 PM
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Gotcha....well isn't it different for B-bodies considering the weight factor and all?
Either way, I agree that a big cam on stock heads is pointless. There are CC305 guys in the 11's on stock heads running what GM847 guys run.
Oh, and you have 847 posts.
Either way, I agree that a big cam on stock heads is pointless. There are CC305 guys in the 11's on stock heads running what GM847 guys run.
Oh, and you have 847 posts.
02-04-2006, 02:21 PM
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http://dan.esteban.com/impalass/ReturnTopET.asp
you might find it interesting look at Karl Ellwein's entries. His car is pretty much what I would call a streetable race car, emphisis definetely on race he has a crane 227 slip there which is the 210/224 cam the last three digits in the PN are 227 and a 846 slip, at first it looks like the 846 really kicks *** till you look at the details of weight and weather and suddenly it is much less impressive.
you might find it interesting look at Karl Ellwein's entries. His car is pretty much what I would call a streetable race car, emphisis definetely on race he has a crane 227 slip there which is the 210/224 cam the last three digits in the PN are 227 and a 846 slip, at first it looks like the 846 really kicks *** till you look at the details of weight and weather and suddenly it is much less impressive.
