Horsepower gain with small cam
Horsepower gain with small cam I was just wondering what kind of power gains I could squeeze out with one of the smaller cams.Maybe a comp 304 or 502 or the crane or combination motorsports smaller cams.The reason I'm asking is I would like to sneak up on some of the local ls1 suckers around.A street sleeper,not much sound but hide a big bottle.It would have great drivability and mileage, lord knows here in texas you got to the A/C blowing snow, so smooth running is a high priority for my everyday driver.What power I lose in cam I'll try to make up with in juice.I know it would make alot more power with a bigger cam but I have to keep the driveability.There has to be a few more sleepers out there running a set-up like I'm wanting,just asking for some info on power with a small cam. Also one more thing,is a nitrous cam worth running if you dont use the bottle that much? By the way my car is m6.
I am running a Hotcam, 1.6RR without any juice, and the driveability is real good. I have a real open exhaust, so it can be heard. It sounds close to a Harley. It has no problem eating LS1 Vettes, so no need for Nitous. I have the AC removed, with a 34% Under-drive Pulley Kit. It only stalled out once cause of the lope, and that was backing up. I was just easing it back, keep in mind it is an auto..
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We have not re-dyno'd it yet but we picked up 7/10ths using a LPE 211/219 cam in the wifes car. Usual bolt ons and only change was full cam install(LPE cam, K-800 springs with retainers, 1.6 roller rockers)
I really like little sleeper cams
I really like little sleeper cams
I would look at that one or the Crane 210/224 PN ends in 227 so the b-body guys refer to it as the Crane 227. Great mild cam designed with the LT1 in mind and the wide I/E duration split helps it do well on spray. An aquaintence had this cam with ported iron heads in an Impala with BIG swaybars and a stereo system so raceweight was probably 4500lbs easily and on spray he went I think 12.15 with no "race prep" besides bolting on sticky rear tires. Buffman knows who I am talking about maybe he can chime in with NA times for that car.
Great info this will help me decide on cam.I knew you didnt have to go huge duration to still run some awsome numbers.Just wanted so experinced modders to kick in some more knowlage.Thanks people.
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The cam in the motor I just pulled out of the Caprice was a ZZ3 or ZZ4 cam whicherver you want to call it, It is 208/221 when I had manifolds and cat on the car it could pass for stock, the headers and no cats made it pretty clearly audible with the Dynomax UltraFloSS mufflers. Car went 13.9 before the headers and 13.2 the one night out with them. I feel I could have tweaked a very high 12 out of it had I not decided to go a bit further with the car. Remeber this is a big heavy Caprice and f-body could easily be half a second faster just because of less weight. The ZZ3 cam 2800, 3.42s were great for daily driving, light towing and the occasional trip to the east coast, the car is more of a toy now so I am going 3400, 3.73s and a cam 22x/23x and heads, should still be OK to drive but many not what I want to put 20K+ on a year like I did with the old setup, doubt I will be towing the small fishing boat with it much this year though I might just for shock value at the boat launch.
The cam in the motor I just pulled out of the Caprice was a ZZ3 or ZZ4 cam whicherver you want to call it, It is 208/221 when I had manifolds and cat on the car it could pass for stock, the headers and no cats made it pretty clearly audible with the Dynomax UltraFloSS mufflers. Car went 13.9 before the headers and 13.2 the one night out with them. I feel I could have tweaked a very high 12 out of it had I not decided to go a bit further with the car. Remeber this is a big heavy Caprice and f-body could easily be half a second faster just because of less weight. The ZZ3 cam 2800, 3.42s were great for daily driving, light towing and the occasional trip to the east coast, the car is more of a toy now so I am going 3400, 3.73s and a cam 22x/23x and heads, should still be OK to drive but many not what I want to put 20K+ on a year like I did with the old setup, doubt I will be towing the small fishing boat with it much this year though I might just for shock value at the boat launch.
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Originally Posted by 96capricemgr
I would look at that one or the Crane 210/224 PN ends in 227 so the b-body guys refer to it as the Crane 227. Great mild cam designed with the LT1 in mind . . .
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The LPE cam is designed to raise Dynamic Compresion Ratio.....which is does in spades. The crane is a good choice also.
Both will give you a big return. We are shifting the LPE car at 6,400
Both will give you a big return. We are shifting the LPE car at 6,400
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This is probably the greatest small cam thread ever!! No haters that just knack them..
One question though..
Would it be possible to run any of the cams mentioned w/ a 2800 stall and stock 3.23... When i say possible I mean feasible in a street car that can run in city traffic.
One question though..
Would it be possible to run any of the cams mentioned w/ a 2800 stall and stock 3.23... When i say possible I mean feasible in a street car that can run in city traffic.
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That is the combo we are running. Custom 2,600(foot brakes over 3k now) and 3.23s on Nitto 555RIIs consistant 1.80ish 60fts
18 city 24+ hiway....13.0hs all day at the track fully dressed and stylin' This is my wifes car so the tune is very conservitive IF I hurt it the couch is my friend LOL
18 city 24+ hiway....13.0hs all day at the track fully dressed and stylin'
This is my wifes car so the tune is very conservitive IF I hurt it the couch is my friend LOL I ran my car with 2.93s and a 1650 stall for a few months then a tranny failure meant an upgrade to a 2800 Edge and it stayed like that for almost a year before I did the 3.42s. The cams we are talking about here are slightly bigger but your cars are a whole bunch lighter so I agree it will be fine. Heck I used my car to tow a small fishing boat and put over 20K a year on it, if I found it OK for all that you will be more than happy.
Are most of you running stock block and untouched heads?How about throttle bodies and injectors?Damn those are some nice times with small cams.I greatly appreciate all the great response from small cam users.Now I cant decide which one to go with,maybe a little more reseach,but sure seems there are some good ones to chose from.Hey TwoFast4Lv almost 12's and still 24 per gallon thats bad-***.And thats what I'm talking about,reliability,power,and great mileage.What more could you ask for?
i just got my heads & intake manifold fully done and put a crane 210/224 in it and i love it. i just need some stickier tires because the car breaks em loose if u get too aggressive on the throttle. i mean i havent even floored the car yet because its making too much power now for the tires i got on now. so i just have to gradually accelerate. it sounds real good and the drivability is top notch provided u get the sticky tires. i dying to take it to the track.
All my major mods are listed, the 13.2 runs were with stock TB, stock iron heads, stock shortblock, belt on. Stock Caprice rims upfront, suburban rims outback with 28x10.50 ET Drags which are a little tall for the 3.42s so no lightening or anything. Swaybars on and hookedup, just AirLift bags offset for suspension traction mods, weather was good. This setup in a light little f-body would have no problem with 12s.
Thats some sweet #'s for a big ol boat.I bet you really can catch some poor suckers off gaurd.And I would probably be one of them.Great info and great car.Damn I would hate to pull up beside you with that boat behind you and still get skinned-up.Talk about emmmmmbarrassing.I cant wait to see what a set-up like that will do in my little formula come to think about it its not that little,3650lbs
http://dan.esteban.com/impalass/ReturnTopET.asp here is a page of b-body times and mods it took to get them a lot of cars faster than mine. Consider these are personal bests not average times. One advantage we have is TRACTION. When I was running just 14s most LS1 cars saw taillights till somewhere past the eighth and run me down somewhere after that with a much higher MPH this was even with me on street tires.