LT's Must be Coated??
06-02-2006, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Camaroguy22
They will not start rusting within 50 miles. What does knowing everything about you and what you have been thru have anything to do with you lieing about the coating. I am not Dr. Phil I don't need to know your life story. Is this your coming out of the closet post or something?
06-02-2006, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by blind527
Yet again, you misunderstand what I'm saying. No one says you need to know my life, you need to know what I've been through with my CAR, which was quite obvious. Seriously, do you not get it? When I say rust, does that mean the whole entire header on both sides completely turned to rust? NO. When you heat something up at over 1,000 degrees, it will discolor, no matter WHAT coating is on it. There were rest spots in the collector tubes, and a few on the primary tubes. Yeah, I'm lying, it's called heat and moisture.
Did you purchase your headers thru Jet Hot or did you buy them used off of the for sale section here?
06-02-2006, 11:18 AM
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Yeah, that's hilarious. I guess I'm gay because my headers discolored almost instantly. It's not a crazy discolor, but it is there. My headers rusted more in the 50 miles they were on, than in the past year. The only parts that are rusting now is from water, and that's a no brainer.
06-02-2006, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by blind527
The coating on the headers isn't to deflect rust, it's to provide better heat escape so it's not sitting on top of your engine bay. Any header coating you have will rust, no matter what it is.
Originally Posted by blind527
No, it's not a false statement....
If it was false, then anything I said wouldn't be true. Which, in fact, it is. The Jet Hot coating protects rust corrosion for what, 50 miles? My headers started to rust immediately, and so did many others that have them. The Jet Hot coating is not made to resist rust corrosion, no matter how much they say it does. Many of the people the buy them thinking they won't rust are in for serverly disappointing results.
If it was false, then anything I said wouldn't be true. Which, in fact, it is. The Jet Hot coating protects rust corrosion for what, 50 miles? My headers started to rust immediately, and so did many others that have them. The Jet Hot coating is not made to resist rust corrosion, no matter how much they say it does. Many of the people the buy them thinking they won't rust are in for serverly disappointing results.
Originally Posted by blind527
Yeah, that's hilarious. I guess I'm gay because my headers discolored almost instantly. It's not a crazy discolor, but it is there. My headers rusted more in the 50 miles they were on, than in the past year. The only parts that are rusting now is from water, and that's a no brainer.
06-02-2006, 12:28 PM
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To be honest the thing is that ceramic coating does resist oxidation from the outside. Anything would protect the metal from rust. This includes spray paint, ceramic coating, ect. Now the thing is that the coating will not protect if it is chiped or scratched down to the metal or burnt off. I have seen the header spray paint stick for over 10,000 miles in spots that do not reach relitivley high temperatures. With that said, it does depend on where you live and where you drive. It also depends, however, how well the coating holds up duing installation. I have also seen headers that have the wrap on them that have rusted on the outside and never rusted through since the 50's. The thing you have to consider is what are you using this part for? Is it for looks? Is it for performance? The coating serves for both. The performance attributes are more velosity because of the warmer air temps and lower under hood temps. Either way I would stick with the coated, if anything just for looks.
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06-02-2006, 02:10 PM
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True, it's not the coating that is rusting, it's the header pipe itself rusting through the coating which was too thin or got scratched. The collector area takes a lot of road debris like salt and sand which will chip away at the coating in that area. Too much heat like running NOS will also exceed the heat limit of some coatings and cause them to chip or peel. But, in the overall scheme of things getting headers coated make sense and will help reduce other problems as well as reduce heat in the engine compartment. I would never expect header coating to stay the same color, the heat will eventually change it just like it does to stainless steel. Take the Pacesetter longtubes as an example and you can get coated longtubes for $375 and non coated for $285. So for $90 get the coated headers, that's a no brainer.
06-02-2006, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Camaroguy22
It's hillarious how you feel the need to continue to make bullshit posts and argue with people who actually have real knowledge. And yes, it is gay that you are a liar and try to act like your Jet Hots started to rust within 50 miles, thank you for giving us material to laugh at. I have to go add you to the ricers most wanted website, later. 
06-02-2006, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by chellzers
it's hillarious that you argue at all. why not just say whatever your opinion is and not respond to what other people say?
This is a web forum, the whole point is to respond to what people say. Do you have anything usefull to add here? I don't appreciate people lieing and passing off their bogus info to less knowledgeable people, that creates a whole chain of wrong information.
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06-02-2006, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Camaroguy22
This is a web forum, the whole point is to respond to what people say. Do you have anything usefull to add here? I don't appreciate people lieing and passing off their bogus info to less knowledgeable people, that creates a whole chain of wrong information.
i was told 20-30 and heard on some other websites
06-02-2006, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cchris1109
sorry for being ignorant but its pretty hard to imagine coated long tubes will lower an engine bay temperature hundreds of degrees....
i was told 20-30 and heard on some other websites
i was told 20-30 and heard on some other websites
I am talking about the primaries themselves. Coating significantly reduces heat.
06-02-2006, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Camaroguy22
I am talking about the primaries themselves. Coating significantly reduces heat.
i was talking about engine bay temps, which is what i said did i not? Maybe before you bash try and understand what i said, if i didnt make sense ask...dont mean to be rude or start a fight but i said under hood temps which in my mind means an engine bay, will reduce it to 20-30 degrees
06-02-2006, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Cchris1109
i was not when i said 20-30 degrees
i was talking about engine bay temps, which is what i said did i not?
i was talking about engine bay temps, which is what i said did i not?
06-02-2006, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Camaroguy22
Around the primaries is a whole lot more then 20-30 degree difference. That is an engine bay temp.
06-02-2006, 05:13 PM
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Coating makes the difference in burning up wires, etc. Just ask my friend with non coated headers. That is the real headbang.
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06-02-2006, 05:15 PM
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I am not saying however you can't run uncoated headers without burning wires etc. You just need to be smart about it. My friend decided not to tuck away any wires, put any shielding on them, after a startup it was one messed up Trans Am.
06-02-2006, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Camaroguy22
Where are you specifically talking about a 20-30 degree reduction around?
but anyway we clarified what was meant so sorry
which is where i read the information from 20-30 degrees cooler, they used a thermometer, maybe ill do a real test since my car is in pieces and see what my results are.