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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:24 AM
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That's still messed up..
I agree
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 11:16 AM
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I swear if that crap goes down I'm moving to Canada... Oh btw lol
All I know is that the prices of LT1s right now is one BIG reason I'm gonna get one instead of an LS1...
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 12:01 PM
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Not to be an ******* either..but where did that quote about the LS1 Heads come from? Someone is a little bit in-experienced...
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:36 PM
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they are going to stop doing emmison testing on obd1 cars so in chicago soon, so its a mixed market.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by the_merv
Not to be an ******* either..but where did that quote about the LS1 Heads come from? Someone is a little bit in-experienced...
lol


(ls1 optispark, come on...)
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 02:23 PM
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price of lt1 cars falling,and seems like i cant get rid of the one i have,
selling for rock bottom price too, dont know whats goin on?
as for the obdIII crap, then what the hell is any body be able to do with a sports car with that crap in it?
wont be no reason to buy car anymore,if u cant race it
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 03:01 PM
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i just wonder how many of those OBDIII infractions youl have to have before you achieve Felony status ha ha ha hahlol



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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 04:30 PM
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If that is true then GM just shot themself in the foot and will sell very few of them... As much as GM needs that car to succeed they wont be trying some crazy stupid stuff like that on it... If they really are going that crazy with obdIII im jumping ship to ford... not really.. just wont buy a new one
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 04:51 PM
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That's why you just stick with the old school, and build it up to beat the crap out of the new stuff.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 05:02 PM
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If that is true then GM just shot themself in the foot and will sell very few of them... As much as GM needs that car to succeed they wont be trying some crazy stupid stuff like that on it... If they really are going that crazy with obdIII im jumping ship to ford... not really.. just wont buy a new one
That won't make a difference, OBD (emissions crap) is a government requirement. All manufacturers will have it (as they are required to now with 2).
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 05:17 PM
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I'd like to see how the car salesman is gonna be able to overcome this one. Here is a 400hp camaro thats got its hand on the speed dial to police as soon as you get too far into the pedal or you make a mod it doesn't like.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 05:31 PM
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OBDIII is coming whether you like it or not. But I doubt the camaro will have it the first year.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 05:43 PM
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There isn't going to be any speeding violations. OBD is only emissions related and to help diagnose problems.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 06:56 PM
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Big Brother will be watching you for sure by 2008 -- the year a proposed requirement that Event Data Recorders (EDRs) become mandatory standard equipment in all new cars and trucks will become law unless public outrage puts the kibosh on it somehow.

EDRs are "black boxes" -- just like airplanes have. They can record a wide variety of things -- including how fast you drive and whether you "buckle-up for safety." The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) wants EDRs to be installed in every new vehicle beginning with model year 2008 -- on the theory that the information will help crash investigators more accurately determine the hows and whys of accidents.

But EDRs could -- and likely will be -- used for other purposes as well.

Tied into GPS navigation computers, EDRs could give interested parties-- your local cash-hungry sheriff, for example -- the ability to take automated ticketing to the next level. Since the data recorders can continuously monitor most of the operating parameters of a vehicle as it travels -- and the GPS unit can precisely locate the vehicle in "real time," wherever it happens to be at any given moment -- any and all incidents of "speeding" could be immediately detected and a piece of paying paper issued to the offender faster than he could tap the brake. That's even if he knew he was in the crosshairs, which of course he wouldn't. Probably they'll just erect an electronic debiting system of some sort that ties directly into your checking account -- since the paperwork could not keep up with the massive uptick in fines that would be generated.

If you think this is just a dark-minded paranoiac vision, think again. Rental car companies have already deployed a very similar system of onboard electronic monitoring to identify customers who dare to drive faster than the posted limit -- and automatically tap them with a "surcharge" for their scofflaw ways. While this inventive form of "revenue enhancement" was challenged and subsequently batted down by the courts, the technology continues to be honed -- and quietly put into service.
Already, 15-20 percent of all the cars and trucks in service have EDRs; most of these are General Motors vehicles. GM has been installing "black boxes" in its new cars and trucks since about 1996 as part of the Supplemental Restraint (air bag) system. Within a few years, as many as 90 percent of all new motor vehicles will be equipped with EDRs, according to government estimates -- whether the requirement NHTSA is pushing actually becomes law or not.

The automakers are just as eager to keep tabs on us as the government -- in part to keep the shyster lawyers who have been so successfully digging into their deep pockets at bay. EDRs would provide irrefutable evidence of high-speed driving, for example -- or make it impossible for a person injured in a crash to deny he wasn't wearing a seat belt.

Insurance companies will launch "safety" campaigns urging that "we use available technology" to identify "unsafe" drivers -- and who will be able to argue against that? Everyone knows that speeding is against the law -- and if you aren't breaking the law, what have you got to worry about?

It's all for our own good.

But if you get edgy thinking about the government -- and our friends in corporate America -- being able to monitor where we go and how we go whenever they feel like checking in on us, take the time to write a "Thanks, but no thanks" letter to NHTSA at http://dms.dot.gov/
It's pretty heavily integrated into ECUs/BCUs/CCUs, etc. It's not a stand-alone unit.

Conservative estimates suggest that over 65% of vehicles sold in 2006 had them installed already. At least 85% of MY2007 vehicles have them installed. Essentailly, once the electronics non-sense is upgraded on a car, or when a new car is developed (etc) it's simply developed into the controls.

It's not a stand-alone module, so in order to get rid of it, you'd have to replace the most of the computers on your car. It's also multi-redundant, so if you pull out your ECU and put in a stand alone ECU the Body/Chassis Control units will sill record and report data.


Ed is right though, it is 6th-priority data...so currently the quality of the data is "so-so" at best.

The law that's really changing is that everyone will have to say that the cars have this "feature," several companies already do mention these things in owners manuals...check it out.
They'll attempt to make it tamper-proof like everything else...but that's just another HUGE market for people like...umm...you.

Develop a system that replaces ALL of the black boxes in the car to either maintain stock performance without the Big Brother features, or more likely, allows for significant performance upgrades while axing the Big Brother features.

You figure it out; I'll probably pay to have Big Brother removed.

If you want to see what type of data these things really collect you can buy a piece of software at CompUSA that comes with a flash-memory drive that plugs into the OBD-II port on your car and logs information of the CANBus. This information carries the the same priority as the EDR...it is the same data.

However, the CANBus information is handled a few ways. There is the "industry standard" that everyone agreed to use which is very low bandwidth, low-res, 1-way data. Then there is the encrypted CANBus data that each manufacture sub-codes under the Standard Bus...the proprietary data is much higher band width, much higher resolution, and in some cases bi-directional data (eg: you can send info/change cals in the car, while it is running).

The OBD-II data is format-changed standard CANBus information.
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 07:20 PM
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Technology sucks..lol
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 07:35 PM
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Could my day get any worse
Well I guess ill be keepin the OBDII car I got
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by the_merv
Not to be an ******* either..but where did that quote about the LS1 Heads come from? Someone is a little bit in-experienced...
Really?
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:59 PM
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Man.... why bother with this OBDIII crap... Just save the money and have the cars drive themselves anywhere you want. THERE! That way you eliminate driver error totally.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 12:45 AM
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Cause then I won't have a job, and something neat to see on the road when I get on scene of it.
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Lethal Z
I'd like to see how the car salesman is gonna be able to overcome this one. Here is a 400hp camaro thats got its hand on the speed dial to police as soon as you get too far into the pedal or you make a mod it doesn't like.


i will beat my salesmen sensless. and then beat him again with the OBD III pcm.


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