View Poll Results: Which tune to get?
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Vote for my tune
i voted for other but, i just read your this post about you not being able to do a dyno tune. hypertec is poop in the form of plastic with a cable attached. go with the mailorder for now, but when you get your heads and cam youre gonna need to get it dyno tuned. also, i hear good things about madZ. i was going to get my tune from them, but decided to sell my interface cable and go with a dyno tune when i get some serious mods.
good luck buddy.
good luck buddy.
Originally Posted by foggedz
Do you wanna expand on this claim. I have heard nothing but good things about Ion, and he has personaly went out of his way to help me out when I fried out my computer during a tune.
I will be glad to give you an example. I have a 93' ta. had cc306 cam put in, p&p heads. 30lb. injectors,58mm t.b. and other mods. had Ion make me a tune for the mods. put it in car, barely got me home from Joplin Mo. where I had the mods put in, to my house. about 100mi. away. car ran horrible and surging really bad. called Ion and told him I think the tune is off. he said the tune should be really close because of the mods and he did other cars with these mods. so should be close. well after replacing the 02's,tps,map. and finding no other probs. car still did same thing, I went to a dyno and had the a/f reading. car was dangerously lean. I emailed Ion and asked to send it back so he could change it, he flat out told me no, to buy the moates burner and software, and he would email me the changes to make. I told him no way was I going to spend another 150.00 bucks for equip. because I didn't have the extra money. he then told me that my car was the problem and not the tune. and that he wouldn't take it back. so after about 5 emails of bickering back and fourth and him blaming my car, I finally got the money to go to a local tuner. and guess what it was Ion's tune, it was really leaned out thru most of the powerband, and way to fattened up over 5000rpm's. the tuner got my car straightened out, and runs much better. and the a/f's are 200% better than Ion's tune. So I told Ion I would let everyone know how he does business. after I tell people on websites when they ask about him, I get around 5 emails from people he has done the same thing to.
Ion is a Jerk, will never get my business again. what a waste of 150.00 , I sent him 150.00 because I accidently overpayed double on shipping, dang paypal. he didn't have no problem keeping the extra 25.00 either... sorry so long, just letting you know what kinda person he was to me..
Originally Posted by 93-vr4+transam
I will be glad to give you an example. I have a 93' ta. had cc306 cam put in, p&p heads. 30lb. injectors,58mm t.b. and other mods. had Ion make me a tune for the mods. put it in car, barely got me home from Joplin Mo. where I had the mods put in, to my house. about 100mi. away. car ran horrible and surging really bad. called Ion and told him I think the tune is off. he said the tune should be really close because of the mods and he did other cars with these mods. so should be close. well after replacing the 02's,tps,map. and finding no other probs. car still did same thing, I went to a dyno and had the a/f reading. car was dangerously lean. I emailed Ion and asked to send it back so he could change it, he flat out told me no, to buy the moates burner and software, and he would email me the changes to make. I told him no way was I going to spend another 150.00 bucks for equip. because I didn't have the extra money. he then told me that my car was the problem and not the tune. and that he wouldn't take it back. so after about 5 emails of bickering back and fourth and him blaming my car, I finally got the money to go to a local tuner. and guess what it was Ion's tune, it was really leaned out thru most of the powerband, and way to fattened up over 5000rpm's. the tuner got my car straightened out, and runs much better. and the a/f's are 200% better than Ion's tune. So I told Ion I would let everyone know how he does business. after I tell people on websites when they ask about him, I get around 5 emails from people he has done the same thing to.
Ion is a Jerk, will never get my business again. what a waste of 150.00 , I sent him 150.00 because I accidently overpayed double on shipping, dang paypal. he didn't have no problem keeping the extra 25.00 either... sorry so long, just letting you know what kinda person he was to me..
Ion is a Jerk, will never get my business again. what a waste of 150.00 , I sent him 150.00 because I accidently overpayed double on shipping, dang paypal. he didn't have no problem keeping the extra 25.00 either... sorry so long, just letting you know what kinda person he was to me..

If doing a LE heads and cam setup I would probably use the same tuner that Lloyd himself used for his car.... US
All things aside though I have done many LE head/cam setups on the LT1's and have a great database of dyno tunes from his setups.
Yes, we do LS1 tunes as well.
I also believe that Ion does a good job too (I think he just gets a bit overwhelmed sometimes with the PCM biz and College and I can understand that) and I don't knock anyone else's work, but on the LE setups I believe we have the hot ticket for them.
Thanks,
Bryan
All things aside though I have done many LE head/cam setups on the LT1's and have a great database of dyno tunes from his setups.
Yes, we do LS1 tunes as well.
I also believe that Ion does a good job too (I think he just gets a bit overwhelmed sometimes with the PCM biz and College and I can understand that) and I don't knock anyone else's work, but on the LE setups I believe we have the hot ticket for them.
Thanks,
Bryan
Also, once again thanks to all of our customers who speak highly of Alvin and I's work. It really does make the long hours worth it when you can visit any forum and people have good things to say about your work. I really enjoy what I do and enjoy making cars go faster.
Can PCMFORLESS send out just the tune by email, so the customer can load flash the PCM with their own software. If so ho much less then the regular mail you computer back and forth tuning. Also, do these files have any kind of locks placed on them, so they cant be changed.
Originally Posted by foggedz
Do you wanna expand on this claim. I have heard nothing but good things about Ion, and he has personaly went out of his way to help me out when I fried out my computer during a tune.
You guys and your crazy stories of huge gas mileage changes and cars barely making it home. I've seen both PCM4less and MadZ28 tunes and they're going to be very similar. I liked what I saw from both tunes and I would almost GUARANTEE the tune wasn't causing all the problems some of you had. For one, the gas mileage change. If you had any tuning experience, you'd know that the O2's are feeding back information to keep the a/f at/around 14.7:1 at all times except cold start and WOT (PE mode). Unless he got an injector constant wrong (which happens sometimes) Ion would had to of made a stupid, unnecessary mistake (like changing the BLM boundaries and forcing it run rich) to make a car go from 17 to 10 mpg, and I seriously doubt that happened. He's also not going to be able to control how long the car takes to warm up. If he had the fans kicking on a little sooner, that MIGHT make a slight difference. Honestly, you guys would be happy with either mail order tune. Hell, I bet I could make you happy with a mail order tune. They honestly don't vary a whole lot when it comes to similar setups. I've heard complaints about customer service and tunes from both places, but when you deal with as many people as they do, what can you expect. Some people want their stuff done yesterday and don't hesitate to get on the internet and bitch up a storm about it. Put the two names in a hat and draw one. Or, buy the software and learn to do it yourself.
Originally Posted by StealthFormula
pcmforless is the best out there. I once had my car tuned by madz28 and it fucked my car up and when I tried to contact Ion for help I had no responce.
im haveing that exact same problem but with pcm for less
Originally Posted by Sweetred95ta
You guys and your crazy stories of huge gas mileage changes and cars barely making it home. I've seen both PCM4less and MadZ28 tunes and they're going to be very similar. I liked what I saw from both tunes and I would almost GUARANTEE the tune wasn't causing all the problems some of you had. For one, the gas mileage change. If you had any tuning experience, you'd know that the O2's are feeding back information to keep the a/f at/around 14.7:1 at all times except cold start and WOT (PE mode). Unless he got an injector constant wrong (which happens sometimes) Ion would had to of made a stupid, unnecessary mistake (like changing the BLM boundaries and forcing it run rich) to make a car go from 17 to 10 mpg, and I seriously doubt that happened. He's also not going to be able to control how long the car takes to warm up. If he had the fans kicking on a little sooner, that MIGHT make a slight difference. Honestly, you guys would be happy with either mail order tune. Hell, I bet I could make you happy with a mail order tune. They honestly don't vary a whole lot when it comes to similar setups. I've heard complaints about customer service and tunes from both places, but when you deal with as many people as they do, what can you expect. Some people want their stuff done yesterday and don't hesitate to get on the internet and bitch up a storm about it. Put the two names in a hat and draw one. Or, buy the software and learn to do it yourself.
Last edited by 93-vr4+transam; Feb 23, 2007 at 07:40 PM.










