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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 07:58 AM
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I just installed a fuddle 3600 converter and ordered a tune from Ion. Now my problem is when I put it in drive the car is always trying to take off. How do I check to see if the converter is stalled correctly? This one feels as if it is stalled lower than my stock converter. Any help would be great. Thanks
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 01:23 PM
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my stock one does that... 0_o


contact fuddle and ask them whats up.. im sure theyd be glad to assist
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 04:15 PM
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well...thats another complaint about fuddle...doesnt ANYBODY have ANYTHING good to say about them? sounds like a junk company with junk products...
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 04:33 PM
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My Fuddle 3600 works perfectly. Id definately give him a call.
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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My Fuddle felt SCARY strong. It threw me back in the seat at 28 mph. And I mean it THREW me. Too bad I botched the install, I think. I did this one right and zero problems this time around... so far at least.
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 06:10 PM
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What's your idle set at??
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 97badass
well...thats another complaint about fuddle...doesnt ANYBODY have ANYTHING good to say about them? sounds like a junk company with junk products...
Not a complaint just a question. It seams as there is a very low stall set. Does anyone know how to get an idea as how to test it?

My idle is at around 1100rpm.
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 10:15 PM
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Now my problem is when I put it in drive the car is always trying to take off. How do I check to see if the converter is stalled correctly? This one feels as if it is stalled lower than my stock converter. Any help would be great. Thanks
When I put mine in Gear it wants to move too..

You jut have one that is tight..slam it to the Floor and you should see the RPM's go up to around 4k as soon as it starts to move right before it breaks loose. Everythings more than likely normal..

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Too bad I botched the install, I think. I did this one right and zero problems this time around... so far at least.
What do you think you messed up?
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idle at 1100? wtf?
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Old Apr 6, 2008 | 10:33 PM
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^^^^Yea get that down to 600 or 700 rpms. Any reason its so high?
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Probably has a big Cam in it.. mine Idles at 1000.. that is the lowest we could get it at so it would stay idling..

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What do you think you messed up?
Don't quite know. I guess I didn't let the fluid circulate enough. Probably screwed the pump almost immediately. It acted like it had no fluid, even though I know it did. It was probably a tad low too. I also didn't put a cooler on and the tranny itself was 103k miles. It started slipping on shifts at my second WOT attempt. But DAMN, when it engaged, it was POWERFUL. Moreso than my current 3200. Which is disheartening. My current one feels like a very tight converter. It feels like a stock replacement until you step on it, but it doesn't feel as torquey as the fuddle did.
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 12:07 AM
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I just had it tuned and thats what he set it up at I guess. No cam, just bolt-ons. The only way to lower the idle is through the pcm. Correct???
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^^Yup.
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 02:55 PM
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So I should talk to Ion about the high idle and see what he says about it? Would that cause the converter issues?
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that would cause ur car to start rolling for sure.... yea i talked to ion the other day and i honestly didnt kno what idle should be at and i wrote on my order form 950rpms and he was like u sure u want that idle thats ridiculously high..... so 1100 is insane high
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Old Apr 7, 2008 | 05:46 PM
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Thanks for the help. Tried calling fuddle a bunch of times today but all I get is there voice mail. Go figure when they lost the first converter in the mail it took forever to get a hold of them. Hopefully I can talk to them soon. Was hoping the car would run right for the shootout. I guess we will see.
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Originally Posted by justatoy
Thanks for the help. Tried calling fuddle a bunch of times today but all I get is there voice mail. Go figure when they lost the first converter in the mail it took forever to get a hold of them. Hopefully I can talk to them soon. Was hoping the car would run right for the shootout. I guess we will see.
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Sorry, you weren't able to reach me yesterday; it was a pretty crazy day. Make sure you always try the main line to talk to Carissa, too. It is easier to reach her. (801) 358-8661 I don't have any unreturned messages now, though.

I would expect an 1100 rpm idle to try to push you into the intersection and jump off of the line. 1100 is a really high idle, especially with stock cam.

With checking the stall speed of the converter, there are 2 basic ways to approach it. The first, and least accurate, is to check the brake stall. Hold your foot on the brake, and slowly roll into the gas. See where the RPMs go before the tires start to break loose. This is brake stall and will be between 20 and 30% lower than actual flash stall speed.

The second method is to put the car in gear, and let the idle carry you to about 3-5 MPH. Floor the car and see where the RPMs "flash" to. That is where the converter is stalled - the point where the converter flashes on launch. Let me know what you get.
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Old Apr 8, 2008 | 10:31 PM
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Just to update everyone, I talked to John and he was very helpful. Hopefully with talking to John at fuddle and Ion at Madtuner I will get my problem solved. Ion suggested to setup the tb because that might be causing the high idle. I guess with their help I will find out tomarrow.
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