What I Broke
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What I Broke Trying to figure out exactly what I broke here..
So there I was screwing around doing a burnout infront of a friends house, started in first, quick-shifted into second to keep the tires roasting and all we heard was a pop and I had no second.
I'm thinking I sheared all the teeth off of the Gear itself or broke them off. I still have first, third and everything else so I know the Countershaft isn't broken.
It's a stock T56..well what's left of one.
Any ideas?
So there I was screwing around doing a burnout infront of a friends house, started in first, quick-shifted into second to keep the tires roasting and all we heard was a pop and I had no second.
I'm thinking I sheared all the teeth off of the Gear itself or broke them off. I still have first, third and everything else so I know the Countershaft isn't broken.
It's a stock T56..well what's left of one.
Any ideas?
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No..just second..which brings me to the conclusion of it being the Gear itself on the Mainshaft.
That's what was in my mind when I made the post, I didn't know there was an actual name for them.
Do the Gears that are available as replacements have the longer teeth?
Do the Gears that are available as replacements have the longer teeth?
Why would you ever shift a manual car on the burnout?
I have made over 450 passes in 6spd cars and never did that... I never felt like that would be good for the trans.
Dude, you dun-fucked-up...
I would sugest never doing that again...
But either way, you can have an educated guess as to what you broke, but you will not know untill you take it apart... so get to it.
I have made over 450 passes in 6spd cars and never did that... I never felt like that would be good for the trans.
Dude, you dun-fucked-up...
I would sugest never doing that again...
But either way, you can have an educated guess as to what you broke, but you will not know untill you take it apart... so get to it.
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^^I'm not talking about on the Track.. I wanted to grab it in 2nd to get some nice smoke out of the Tires.. just some fun screwing around. Didn't know there was a "Correct" procedure for it..
In theory if you think about it..there is more stress when the car is pulling in 2nd with traction than smoking the tires cause the tires are spinning..that's just the way I see it though.
In theory if you think about it..there is more stress when the car is pulling in 2nd with traction than smoking the tires cause the tires are spinning..that's just the way I see it though.
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I did the same exact thing while banging into 2nd, ended up being the teeth where the slider grabs onto the gear while shifting. They look like little 1/4" teeth that have been sheared off, pretty easy and cheap fix if you do it your self. And a reason to put the billet synchro keys and brass sliders in her since you will have to pull all of that off anyways. If you end up doing it your self I have a extra set of shims for the mainshaft/input shaft play if you want them when you put it togethor. They are used to set the tolerances up tighter while assembleing it and I ended up with a extra set. Also when you pull it apart check the splines where the 5th/reverse gear rides, I know you like to roll her out on the highway and there is a lot of load on 5th gear. Mine had all the splines worn halfway over and I just happened to catch it while putting it back togethor. I also put the shaft in the freezer before pressing the 1-4th gear sets on, it helped them slide on easier from being a little smaller. PM me on those shims if you want them Ill take care of since you need them anyways. Wait until you see your magnet in there with all the carnage chunks hanging out on it. 
Ill find you pictures of this gear and magnet for a good laugh. Also I have PDF of the 6speed break down I can email you.
Ill find you pictures of this gear and magnet for a good laugh. Also I have PDF of the 6speed break down I can email you. Im sorry I meant to say bronze fork pads $70 for 1-4 and 5-6 ones, and $100 for the billet 3-4 keyways. $50 3-4 steel shift fork and I think I had about $130 in my second gear. All in all its not to much to build it up a little while your in there anyways. You could also drop in the carbon blockers for the synchros if you have the extra money. After doing all this to mine I can bang gears with my pinky finger its so much smoother than stock with a pro 5.0 shifter.
Also take a look at your 1-2nd synchro and see if you damaged the splines inside it if not you need that so add another $130 
and also thoses carbon blocker rings are only $25 a pop. I wish you lived close to OHIO I would just help you rebuild it since I have followed the build of your car over the years.
Josh
and also thoses carbon blocker rings are only $25 a pop. I wish you lived close to OHIO I would just help you rebuild it since I have followed the build of your car over the years.Josh
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Just rebuilt mine myself to, not to bad. Put new 1-2 sych, 3-4 sych, 5-6 sych, carbon rings, second gear, bronze pads, 3-4 steel fork, billet keys. Now just waiting on my clutch disks to get back.
^^I'm not talking about on the Track.. I wanted to grab it in 2nd to get some nice smoke out of the Tires.. just some fun screwing around. Didn't know there was a "Correct" procedure for it..
In theory if you think about it..there is more stress when the car is pulling in 2nd with traction than smoking the tires cause the tires are spinning..that's just the way I see it though.
In theory if you think about it..there is more stress when the car is pulling in 2nd with traction than smoking the tires cause the tires are spinning..that's just the way I see it though.
In the burnout box I am already in 2nd gear. rev it up to about 4000 and slip the clutch out. I know its after going through water, but I always do the burnout in 2nd gear, not first then shift to 2nd.
The theory might be correct, but in the time you shift, your car is not moving, so the rear tires slow down significantly more then they would going down the track. The added shock of shifting the car when the transmision has slowed down so much is what broke it.
I asked that question of my drag racing friends when I first started about 7 tears ago, and they all told me "HELL NO" never shift in a burnout...
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Thanks for the tips guys.. from the looks of it, the rebuilding of it doesn't seem that complicated. All I would need is a Claw Puller and extend it, and a press.
I'm considering doing it myself..
I'm considering doing it myself..
Im sure you can do it.
Take it apart, clean it, see what you fucked up, order it, put it back together slowly. Make sure you do not have any "extra" parts. LOL
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Yea.. I hear ya about the extra parts..lol
I figure I should be able to accomplish this..I don't see what is too hard about it. I built what I have now so might as well tear into the Tranny.
I figure I should be able to accomplish this..I don't see what is too hard about it. I built what I have now so might as well tear into the Tranny.
