$85,000 it looks like a 1980s ricer still 
New EVO, we are in troble
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You guys actually think this is going to be a high 12 sec car! You all are sick. My friend went 12.9's at 104 with a completely stock car(no airfilters,exhaust,etc.). How do you figure, with 100+extra hp, your not going to run mid to high 11's. **** possibly low 11's.
I don't care how much velocity an awd loses on the top end, its not that crucial. There are plenty or should I say tons, of awd cars trapping at over 130-140 without any issues. Have any of you ever driven an awd car. Or matter of fact a high hp awd car? I have, and I can attest that there really isnt a significant difference.
You guys experiences with awd cars with stock turbos and no more than 3-5 more psi than stock. ****, most of the stock cars turbos are only efficient to no more than 50-75 extra hp, then the boost starts to taper off. I guarantee you, you give me an sti,evo,skyline with a 5-7000 dollar limit, you will see me in the low mid to low 11's.
Please don't ramble off at the mouth about your little 100-150 shot then you to would be there. ****, they would too.
Why is it that when faced with fast quality imports, you refuse to give them credit. Remember they discontinued the ss, with prices near those of the evo or sti's.
I think there is a change of era here and people don't want to realize it. There are cheaper and more efficient ways to make power(turbo 4cyl.). Don't get me wrong, I have alot of respect for v8's(ss's and cobras especially) I just wish more of you would take in consideration, that not everone has the same opinion as you all.
I don't care how much velocity an awd loses on the top end, its not that crucial. There are plenty or should I say tons, of awd cars trapping at over 130-140 without any issues. Have any of you ever driven an awd car. Or matter of fact a high hp awd car? I have, and I can attest that there really isnt a significant difference.
You guys experiences with awd cars with stock turbos and no more than 3-5 more psi than stock. ****, most of the stock cars turbos are only efficient to no more than 50-75 extra hp, then the boost starts to taper off. I guarantee you, you give me an sti,evo,skyline with a 5-7000 dollar limit, you will see me in the low mid to low 11's.
Please don't ramble off at the mouth about your little 100-150 shot then you to would be there. ****, they would too.
Why is it that when faced with fast quality imports, you refuse to give them credit. Remember they discontinued the ss, with prices near those of the evo or sti's.
I think there is a change of era here and people don't want to realize it. There are cheaper and more efficient ways to make power(turbo 4cyl.). Don't get me wrong, I have alot of respect for v8's(ss's and cobras especially) I just wish more of you would take in consideration, that not everone has the same opinion as you all.
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Originally Posted by 25psi
You guys actually think this is going to be a high 12 sec car! You all are sick. My friend went 12.9's at 104 with a completely stock car(no airfilters,exhaust,etc.). How do you figure, with 100+extra hp, your not going to run mid to high 11's. **** possibly low 11's.
I don't care how much velocity an awd loses on the top end, its not that crucial. There are plenty or should I say tons, of awd cars trapping at over 130-140 without any issues. Have any of you ever driven an awd car. Or matter of fact a high hp awd car? I have, and I can attest that there really isnt a significant difference.
You guys experiences with awd cars with stock turbos and no more than 3-5 more psi than stock. ****, most of the stock cars turbos are only efficient to no more than 50-75 extra hp, then the boost starts to taper off. I guarantee you, you give me an sti,evo,skyline with a 5-7000 dollar limit, you will see me in the low mid to low 11's.
Please don't ramble off at the mouth about your little 100-150 shot then you to would be there. ****, they would too.
Why is it that when faced with fast quality imports, you refuse to give them credit. Remember they discontinued the ss, with prices near those of the evo or sti's.
I think there is a change of era here and people don't want to realize it. There are cheaper and more efficient ways to make power(turbo 4cyl.). Don't get me wrong, I have alot of respect for v8's(ss's and cobras especially) I just wish more of you would take in consideration, that not everone has the same opinion as you all.
I don't care how much velocity an awd loses on the top end, its not that crucial. There are plenty or should I say tons, of awd cars trapping at over 130-140 without any issues. Have any of you ever driven an awd car. Or matter of fact a high hp awd car? I have, and I can attest that there really isnt a significant difference.
You guys experiences with awd cars with stock turbos and no more than 3-5 more psi than stock. ****, most of the stock cars turbos are only efficient to no more than 50-75 extra hp, then the boost starts to taper off. I guarantee you, you give me an sti,evo,skyline with a 5-7000 dollar limit, you will see me in the low mid to low 11's.
Please don't ramble off at the mouth about your little 100-150 shot then you to would be there. ****, they would too.
Why is it that when faced with fast quality imports, you refuse to give them credit. Remember they discontinued the ss, with prices near those of the evo or sti's.
I think there is a change of era here and people don't want to realize it. There are cheaper and more efficient ways to make power(turbo 4cyl.). Don't get me wrong, I have alot of respect for v8's(ss's and cobras especially) I just wish more of you would take in consideration, that not everone has the same opinion as you all.
Werd
Im not giving up my v8 anytime soon. But turbo 4 bangers are on the rise. 
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Yeah that FQevo stands for F**KING QUICK and if you doubt me go pick up the lateste issue of sport compact it has that car vs. a special edition STI at the barnes and nobles by my house. BTW I look at those cars because my daily driver is a 02wrx that ran a 13.7@99.5 before I added a computer tune to it.
Originally Posted by RaNsOm
I beg to differ. My 1.86 60' was a 3.67 0-60 time and I ended up running 12.38. All AWD car is going to die more topend, so a mid 12 would be a good estimate.
I dont care what your 'buddy' has done, that FQ400 is NOT going to be trapping 117mph.
I dont care what your 'buddy' has done, that FQ400 is NOT going to be trapping 117mph.
oh ,your getting defensive b/c this lil 4banger is faster than you stock?
i dont see why it couldnt trap that high what makes you so sure it can't? Its got over 120 HP on a stock evo as well as being lighter w/ upgraded diffs and 6 speed tranny
thats right you can vary the power to the front and rear wheels...what were you saying about awd topend?
btw this is all BS b/c if you look at the specs, it comes with a built engine. its like a 03 cobra...whos gonna leave this thing stock with that sweet fuel system and turbo kit.....
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If i were to have to choose between the two, I'd go for a WRX STi...and *if* i remember correctly, i don't think they cost even 1/2 as much. 
*Grabs extra flak jacket from Silverado* If u want to talk speed for money bikes always win, hands down, no more questions.
The only thing that makes people different is what they want to make go fast and how much money they have to spend on it.
Amount of $ = amount of performance.
It's just some vehicles (the 4 bangers) take *most of the time* a lot more money to achieve certain levels of performance.
And i must admit it is hard to cuddle up to a lot of those 4bangers that are full tube chassis and the shell around it is the ONLY thing left that even resembles what the car use to be. And then people say OMG!!! this 'civic' (or whatever) went such and such speed! No it didn't...you mean the full-tube chassis vehicle that *looks* like a civic/whatever went *blah blah speed.*
If the doemstic guys boasted about makes and models like that then John Forces 'mustang' Top-fuel funny car reigns supreme over all.
I just figure if you want to spend 6-figures on a car that is only worth 3-figures, go for it. Be my guest and spend as much money as you want.
But, as you can tell, money can't buy respect...
And, before i shut up. EVERY forum i've been on so far....they ALL think their cars are the fastest, i've even seen some kid boasting about his rattle can painted up geo metro....
*note: i have yet to find a Nash Metropolitan forum*
*Grabs extra flak jacket from Silverado* If u want to talk speed for money bikes always win, hands down, no more questions.
The only thing that makes people different is what they want to make go fast and how much money they have to spend on it.
Amount of $ = amount of performance.
It's just some vehicles (the 4 bangers) take *most of the time* a lot more money to achieve certain levels of performance.
And i must admit it is hard to cuddle up to a lot of those 4bangers that are full tube chassis and the shell around it is the ONLY thing left that even resembles what the car use to be. And then people say OMG!!! this 'civic' (or whatever) went such and such speed! No it didn't...you mean the full-tube chassis vehicle that *looks* like a civic/whatever went *blah blah speed.*
If the doemstic guys boasted about makes and models like that then John Forces 'mustang' Top-fuel funny car reigns supreme over all.
I just figure if you want to spend 6-figures on a car that is only worth 3-figures, go for it. Be my guest and spend as much money as you want.
But, as you can tell, money can't buy respect...
And, before i shut up. EVERY forum i've been on so far....they ALL think their cars are the fastest, i've even seen some kid boasting about his rattle can painted up geo metro....
*note: i have yet to find a Nash Metropolitan forum* Last edited by 97'RS6-BucketTurd; Dec 10, 2004 at 08:03 AM.
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Originally Posted by 02ws602wrx
Yeah that FQevo stands for F**KING QUICK and if you doubt me go pick up the lateste issue of sport compact it has that car vs. a special edition STI at the barnes and nobles by my house.
Originally Posted by 02ws602wrx
BTW I look at those cars because my daily driver is a 02wrx that ran a 13.7@99.5 before I added a computer tune to it
Originally Posted by Jamie33
oh ,your getting defensive b/c this lil 4banger is faster than you stock?
i dont see why it couldnt trap that high what makes you so sure it can't? Its got over 120 HP on a stock evo as well as being lighter w/ upgraded diffs and 6 speed tranny
thats right you can vary the power to the front and rear wheels...what were you saying about awd topend?
btw this is all BS b/c if you look at the specs, it comes with a built engine. its like a 03 cobra...whos gonna leave this thing stock with that sweet fuel system and turbo kit.....
i dont see why it couldnt trap that high what makes you so sure it can't? Its got over 120 HP on a stock evo as well as being lighter w/ upgraded diffs and 6 speed tranny
thats right you can vary the power to the front and rear wheels...what were you saying about awd topend?
btw this is all BS b/c if you look at the specs, it comes with a built engine. its like a 03 cobra...whos gonna leave this thing stock with that sweet fuel system and turbo kit.....
The only thing I was looking at and comparing was the fact that I dynoed 380rwhp and was only trapping 115-116, I dont see how it could trap 117 with only 340awhp. 
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What price tag are you refering to? If you talking about the fq evo, we really don't know how much it will cost. Anyway, I can take a bone stock 6 speed evo(MR) and spend less than 5g's and run mid to low 11's all day. So what is your point.
Secondly, since your refering to cost, what lead to the demise of the camaro? Was it price? Whoa wait, the evo cost just as much as your ss camaro!
Just think 400 hp out of a stock 4 banger. Now your seeing what we have already known for years. Import cars can easily be tuned to 4-600hp without a problem(stock longblocks). Can't imagine that where going to see more hp out of a stock evo than an ss or a c5 vette. Tell you what, well take a stock fq evo and a stock camaro(ss) and line em up. Tell me what your prediction will be!
Secondly, since your refering to cost, what lead to the demise of the camaro? Was it price? Whoa wait, the evo cost just as much as your ss camaro!
Just think 400 hp out of a stock 4 banger. Now your seeing what we have already known for years. Import cars can easily be tuned to 4-600hp without a problem(stock longblocks). Can't imagine that where going to see more hp out of a stock evo than an ss or a c5 vette. Tell you what, well take a stock fq evo and a stock camaro(ss) and line em up. Tell me what your prediction will be!
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Originally Posted by 25psi
What price tag are you refering to? If you talking about the fq evo, we really don't know how much it will cost. Anyway, I can take a bone stock 6 speed evo(MR) and spend less than 5g's and run mid to low 11's all day. So what is your point.
Secondly, since your refering to cost, what lead to the demise of the camaro? Was it price? Whoa wait, the evo cost just as much as your ss camaro!
Just think 400 hp out of a stock 4 banger. Now your seeing what we have already known for years. Import cars can easily be tuned to 4-600hp without a problem(stock longblocks). Can't imagine that where going to see more hp out of a stock evo than an ss or a c5 vette. Tell you what, well take a stock fq evo and a stock camaro(ss) and line em up. Tell me what your prediction will be!
Secondly, since your refering to cost, what lead to the demise of the camaro? Was it price? Whoa wait, the evo cost just as much as your ss camaro!
Just think 400 hp out of a stock 4 banger. Now your seeing what we have already known for years. Import cars can easily be tuned to 4-600hp without a problem(stock longblocks). Can't imagine that where going to see more hp out of a stock evo than an ss or a c5 vette. Tell you what, well take a stock fq evo and a stock camaro(ss) and line em up. Tell me what your prediction will be!
400 hp out of a stock 4 banger.
>>>>
He said, "stock".
I'm just dieing to find out how much PSI they are stuffing in that thing and how long before the engine lets go.
Oh, I'd also like to see that dyno graph and @ what rpm it's making 400 hp at.
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Who cares what rpm hes making it at and what psi he is running. Your saying there can't be a reliable 4-500hp car! PLEASE! Your an idiot if you think so.
Ok can you answer this question? Why is it that the camaro and transam are gone, but other cars such as the evo,sti,silvia, and others are making a huge impact across the globe. This isn't the 60' 70's or even the 80's, no one whats what the US is offering. Don't say its a money factor cuz its not, these car are 30,000+. The cars listed offer just as much performance, handling, braking, hp potential than any US made car.
So you would like to see where he makes his power right! Well let me give you an example:
Would you rather have torque in higher rpm's with a linear curve than peak hp down low. What if you had an engine that made 10,000ft/lbs of torque easily. But it ran at 1rpm. (10000ft/lbs * 1rpm) / 5252 = 1.904 hp. I would love to see you try and a tractor through the quarter mile. The things that frustrate me is, when guys with huge amounts of torque(v8's) actually try and compare charts with 4cyl. Two cars designed for different purposes with different intentions.
Heres an example:
(3 ft/lb of torque @ 2 RPM) / 5252 = .0011424 HP
(1 ft/lb of torque @ 8 RPM) /5252 = .0015232 hp
Which one is bigger. See my point! So it is a preference for me to make peak hp at higher rpm's. If I am wrong, please prove me wrong and I will apologize."
Ok can you answer this question? Why is it that the camaro and transam are gone, but other cars such as the evo,sti,silvia, and others are making a huge impact across the globe. This isn't the 60' 70's or even the 80's, no one whats what the US is offering. Don't say its a money factor cuz its not, these car are 30,000+. The cars listed offer just as much performance, handling, braking, hp potential than any US made car.
So you would like to see where he makes his power right! Well let me give you an example:
Would you rather have torque in higher rpm's with a linear curve than peak hp down low. What if you had an engine that made 10,000ft/lbs of torque easily. But it ran at 1rpm. (10000ft/lbs * 1rpm) / 5252 = 1.904 hp. I would love to see you try and a tractor through the quarter mile. The things that frustrate me is, when guys with huge amounts of torque(v8's) actually try and compare charts with 4cyl. Two cars designed for different purposes with different intentions.
Heres an example:
(3 ft/lb of torque @ 2 RPM) / 5252 = .0011424 HP
(1 ft/lb of torque @ 8 RPM) /5252 = .0015232 hp
Which one is bigger. See my point! So it is a preference for me to make peak hp at higher rpm's. If I am wrong, please prove me wrong and I will apologize."
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Originally Posted by 25psi
Who cares what rpm hes making it at and what psi he is running. Your saying there can't be a reliable 4-500hp car! PLEASE! Your an idiot if you think so.
Ok can you answer this question? Why is it that the camaro and transam are gone, but other cars such as the evo,sti,silvia, and others are making a huge impact across the globe. This isn't the 60' 70's or even the 80's, no one whats what the US is offering. Don't say its a money factor cuz its not, these car are 30,000+. The cars listed offer just as much performance, handling, braking, hp potential than any US made car.
So you would like to see where he makes his power right! Well let me give you an example:
Would you rather have torque in higher rpm's with a linear curve than peak hp down low. What if you had an engine that made 10,000ft/lbs of torque easily. But it ran at 1rpm. (10000ft/lbs * 1rpm) / 5252 = 1.904 hp. I would love to see you try and a tractor through the quarter mile. The things that frustrate me is, when guys with huge amounts of torque(v8's) actually try and compare charts with 4cyl. Two cars designed for different purposes with different intentions.
Heres an example:
(3 ft/lb of torque @ 2 RPM) / 5252 = .0011424 HP
(1 ft/lb of torque @ 8 RPM) /5252 = .0015232 hp
Which one is bigger. See my point! So it is a preference for me to make peak hp at higher rpm's. If I am wrong, please prove me wrong and I will apologize."
Ok can you answer this question? Why is it that the camaro and transam are gone, but other cars such as the evo,sti,silvia, and others are making a huge impact across the globe. This isn't the 60' 70's or even the 80's, no one whats what the US is offering. Don't say its a money factor cuz its not, these car are 30,000+. The cars listed offer just as much performance, handling, braking, hp potential than any US made car.
So you would like to see where he makes his power right! Well let me give you an example:
Would you rather have torque in higher rpm's with a linear curve than peak hp down low. What if you had an engine that made 10,000ft/lbs of torque easily. But it ran at 1rpm. (10000ft/lbs * 1rpm) / 5252 = 1.904 hp. I would love to see you try and a tractor through the quarter mile. The things that frustrate me is, when guys with huge amounts of torque(v8's) actually try and compare charts with 4cyl. Two cars designed for different purposes with different intentions.
Heres an example:
(3 ft/lb of torque @ 2 RPM) / 5252 = .0011424 HP
(1 ft/lb of torque @ 8 RPM) /5252 = .0015232 hp
Which one is bigger. See my point! So it is a preference for me to make peak hp at higher rpm's. If I am wrong, please prove me wrong and I will apologize."
idiot?
ROTFLMGDFAO I don't recall compairing 4 to 8, but we can I guess...
When 4 bangers start running low 13's or even 15's using only 1 gear shift ( in an auto trans BTW ) with a 2:73 final drive gear, then "I'll" be impressed...nuff said.
Oh, your going to have to add a few Lbs. on that 4 banger car also, just to make it fair and all.
and yes with that kind of gearing you can throw your example out the window.
Anyhoo... I'll tell you the same thing my old friend a motor head use to tell me about my modified turbo II 1990 RX-7. (rotary engine)
"That motor ain't **** without the turbo!"
He's right and the same applies to 4 bangers.
Besides, surely you know that your placing way more strain on less components and your running out of head room to do it safely to make more power.
Oh, then there is that octane thing, I use 87.
STUFF IT TILL SHE POPS! B T, BTDT!
HKS makes the connecting rods? LOL!
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Originally Posted by 25psi
What price tag are you refering to? If you talking about the fq evo, we really don't know how much it will cost.
and I quote "..and is available to order now priced £46,999 (approx. $85,000). "
Originally Posted by 25psi
Secondly, since your refering to cost, what lead to the demise of the camaro? Was it price? Whoa wait, the evo cost just as much as your ss camaro!
Originally Posted by 25psi
Anyway, I can take a bone stock 6 speed evo(MR) and spend less than 5g's and run mid to low 11's all day.