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adidazman15 Mar 24, 2008 09:33 AM

Which SFC's
 
I have an 02 trans am M6
my mods are - SLP Loudmouth (soon to be a magnaflow)
SLP Lid
American Racing Headers and ORY
(CAM/Tune + Pulley coming soon)

Can I get away with tubular I should be making around 400rwhp when the car is finished.

Z Fury Mar 24, 2008 09:42 AM

I've been doing some reading in the suspension/braking section, and have come to learn that SFCs don't do as much as I had originally thought. They will keep the frame more rigid, but rigidity shouldn't be an issue unless you are doing radical things (and 400 hp isn't radical) or unless the car has been wrecked before. Not to say they are a bad mod, just not an absolute necessity.

That said, I'm running the UMI 3-point tubular SFCs, and have no issue at all. If I had it to do over again, I would have spent the money elsewhere first, such as LCAs, adjustable panhard, etc.

CRAGER Mar 24, 2008 10:04 AM

SFC's are a good mod, and 400rwhp you will get flex. If you have stock hp and maybe want to autocross then that is the only reason you might not want them. If you ever plan to hook, and more so with 400rwhp get them.

The tubular ones are fine, I have them and I push 551rwhp.

Peace,
Craig.

Spd-Kilz Mar 24, 2008 10:45 AM

Which ones are more rigid? The boxed ones, or the tubular?

CRAGER Mar 24, 2008 11:13 AM

The boxed ones are, nice avatar btw! lol

Peace,
Craig.

Z Fury Mar 24, 2008 12:16 PM

3pt vs. 2pt. SFCs
This is kind of an old thread, but it shows you where I'm basing my response from. The SFCs are a great mod if you are running stock suspension, but not necessary if you upgrade to a better suspension.

CRAGER Mar 24, 2008 12:29 PM

Wrong, with power and traction will come flex. No matter what springs/shocks you have.

Peace,
Craig.

LS1crazy01 Mar 24, 2008 12:33 PM

Sub frame connectors are great for even stock power. They make your car pick up more evenly. I put them on after I did lid,cat back, and rear control arms. I have BMR boxed and welded ones that I got from Speed Inc. I love them. Makes a huge handling difference on the car.

teke184 Mar 24, 2008 12:35 PM

i put my boxed SFC on the car at 45K miles when i got the car. i felt an IMMEDIATE difference over uneven roads...particularly on bridges (i live near LOTS of them).

the small "dips" formed from each section of the bridge created a pretty good test area.

i could feel the car's suspension working more, the body was flexing less and absorbing less.

to me it almost seemed liek the ride got rougher....since the body wasn't absorbing as much, the shortcomings of a 45K mile stock suspension really shined through.

i say they are a GREAT mod. and i'm not convinced you'll ever notice a difference between the different kinds.

supposedly the boxed version hang lower, but on my car they were not the lowest part.

i have quite a few install pics on page 3 of my website in the signature

Z Fury Mar 24, 2008 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by CRAGER (Post 8993572)
Wrong, with power and traction will come flex. No matter what springs/shocks you have.

Peace,
Craig.

SFCs won't eliminate flex either. They help eliminate it, but no car is 100% rigid. This is per Steve Strano, whom I tend to believe when it comes to suspension/chasis issues on these cars.

I'll support my point no more. I'm not saying they are a bad mod at all, but if I had to do it all over again, I'd go with suspension mods before I'd get SFCs.

1Loudz28 Mar 24, 2008 12:50 PM

tubular Global West SFCs. great clearance if youre lowered.

LS1crazy01 Mar 24, 2008 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Z Fury (Post 8993717)
SFCs won't eliminate flex either. They help eliminate it, but no car is 100% rigid. This is per Steve Strano, whom I tend to believe when it comes to suspension/chasis issues on these cars.

I'll support my point no more. I'm not saying they are a bad mod at all, but if I had to do it all over again, I'd go with suspension mods before I'd get SFCs.


Yah I agree. No car is 100% but you can get pretty close. I also have a BMR strut tower brace wich also helps out a bit.

Snowman2K1 Mar 24, 2008 01:02 PM

i have slp sfc

TXZ28LS1 Mar 24, 2008 01:13 PM

i plan on goin with some hotchkis SFC

adidazman15 Mar 24, 2008 06:24 PM

I am going to used boxed, you never know what lies ahead and I don't want to cut something out I already welded.

WS6addiction Mar 24, 2008 06:57 PM

From what I've read on here, the 4th gens. are alot more rigid than they used to be. But back in the day it was a rule of thumb that if you were pushing 300+ rwhp and dumping the clutch in ANY unibody you NEED sfcs. Failure to use them resulted in a buckled floorpan under the back seat.

Just a little food for thought.

01ssreda4 Mar 24, 2008 07:26 PM

the ability to jack your car up from anywhere along the side is awesome. i cringe when i see or hear the door/doors twist. they are worth every penny.

SS#1531 Mar 27, 2008 01:31 PM

They are worth it no matter what power you are putting down. I noticed an immediate improvement in ride and handling.

CranMaro99 Mar 27, 2008 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by CRAGER (Post 8992636)
SFC's are a good mod, and 400rwhp you will get flex. If you have stock hp and maybe want to autocross then that is the only reason you might not want them. If you ever plan to hook, and more so with 400rwhp get them.

The tubular ones are fine, I have them and I push 551rwhp.

Peace,
Craig.

Why are SFC's bad for autocross?

LS1crazy01 Mar 27, 2008 02:10 PM

I think you would be stupid not to use them for Auto cross! It handles so much better with them.


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