C16 and a 200 shot....TIMING?????LOOK
12-11-2008, 09:51 PM
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C16 and a 200 shot....TIMING?????LOOK I will be shooting a 200 shot with C16 in a standalone 93 in tank.
How much timing do you think should be pulled???
Stock internals, Vic Jr intake with spray bar. Stock timing is 28, right now with my MAF plate, 150 shot I have 26 degrees. TR 6 plugs.
Please give me you best thoughts on timing and plugs. Car is a M6
Thank you
CW
How much timing do you think should be pulled???
Stock internals, Vic Jr intake with spray bar. Stock timing is 28, right now with my MAF plate, 150 shot I have 26 degrees. TR 6 plugs.
Please give me you best thoughts on timing and plugs. Car is a M6
Thank you
CW
12-11-2008, 09:59 PM
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I will be shooting a 200 shot with C16 in a standalone 93 in tank.
How much timing do you think should be pulled???
Stock internals, Vic Jr intake with spray bar. Stock timing is 28, right now with my MAF plate, 150 shot I have 26 degrees. TR 6 plugs.
Please give me you best thoughts on timing and plugs. Car is a M6
Thank you
CW
How much timing do you think should be pulled???
Stock internals, Vic Jr intake with spray bar. Stock timing is 28, right now with my MAF plate, 150 shot I have 26 degrees. TR 6 plugs.
Please give me you best thoughts on timing and plugs. Car is a M6
Thank you
CW
12-11-2008, 10:09 PM
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hes gonna put c16 in the cell how much room do you need? hes sprayin 150 now he prolly wants to make more power im assuming, if the tune is correct and only if, he shouldn't have to pull any timing to spray 200 tr6's are fine set the gap at .028-.030
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12-12-2008, 09:36 AM
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Dot not listen to this guy!
Pull 6 degrees on the 200 to start. the c16 in the tank is only adding 200 hp worth of fuel to the mix. if his motor makes 400 its a 33% mix. You still need to pull the correct timing. also put some tr9's in there for the first few runs and get a good reading on them. get your timing mark just off the tip and the fuel line down the bottom of the procelin. then go 1 step warmer on the plug and take out 1 degree of timming from your final numebr where the timming mark was correct. and get the fuel /timming back to the right spot. compair mph with the 2 finished tunes and if there the same go with the colder plug tune.
Pull 6 degrees on the 200 to start. the c16 in the tank is only adding 200 hp worth of fuel to the mix. if his motor makes 400 its a 33% mix. You still need to pull the correct timing. also put some tr9's in there for the first few runs and get a good reading on them. get your timing mark just off the tip and the fuel line down the bottom of the procelin. then go 1 step warmer on the plug and take out 1 degree of timming from your final numebr where the timming mark was correct. and get the fuel /timming back to the right spot. compair mph with the 2 finished tunes and if there the same go with the colder plug tune.
12-12-2008, 11:23 AM
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Dot not listen to this guy!
Pull 6 degrees on the 200 to start. the c16 in the tank is only adding 200 hp worth of fuel to the mix. if his motor makes 400 its a 33% mix. You still need to pull the correct timing. also put some tr9's in there for the first few runs and get a good reading on them. get your timing mark just off the tip and the fuel line down the bottom of the procelin. then go 1 step warmer on the plug and take out 1 degree of timming from your final numebr where the timming mark was correct. and get the fuel /timming back to the right spot. compair mph with the 2 finished tunes and if there the same go with the colder plug tune.
Pull 6 degrees on the 200 to start. the c16 in the tank is only adding 200 hp worth of fuel to the mix. if his motor makes 400 its a 33% mix. You still need to pull the correct timing. also put some tr9's in there for the first few runs and get a good reading on them. get your timing mark just off the tip and the fuel line down the bottom of the procelin. then go 1 step warmer on the plug and take out 1 degree of timming from your final numebr where the timming mark was correct. and get the fuel /timming back to the right spot. compair mph with the 2 finished tunes and if there the same go with the colder plug tune.
12-12-2008, 11:30 AM
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if the motor tune up is correct, and only requires 93 oct. than the c16 more that make up for a 200 shot homes. The whole point of the c16 is to resist detonation meaning its harder to burn, meaning pulling all that timing like your saying this guy is gonna be making the same power he made on 150hp like he has in the car. I run a 300hp hit on a pump gas engine with tr6's with a 100 oct. and pull 3 degrees, done it for years plugs are perfect.
Best thing for the OP to do would be to drop down to 21-22* and run a TR7. Work your way up from there.
Also, why do you feel the need to run C16 in the cell?
12-12-2008, 11:38 AM
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I keep saying this, "if the engine tune is correct" it will be ok the only reason I say that is cause he is trying to run c16. If stepping to a tr7 for a couple pulls to make someone feel all cozy inside then fine thats cool, but a tr9? wow thats just being scared pulling 6 degrees? put a tr7 @.028-.030 pull 2 degrees I bet you find it wants more timing.
12-12-2008, 12:33 PM
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if the motor tune up is correct, and only requires 93 oct. than the c16 more that make up for a 200 shot homes. The whole point of the c16 is to resist detonation meaning its harder to burn, meaning pulling all that timing like your saying this guy is gonna be making the same power he made on 150hp like he has in the car. I run a 300hp hit on a pump gas engine with tr6's with a 100 oct. and pull 3 degrees, done it for years plugs are perfect.
I know how it works. and the c16 in the stand alone is not enough to not pull timing. What i did was give him a good plan on how to step up to the right tune instead of your way of stepping down and melting something or lifting a ring land.BTW to much timing makes less hp.... There is no safe tune on nitrous. I bet if he tunes it my way it has 3 degerees less than you and less fuel and makes way more hp.
12-12-2008, 12:36 PM
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I keep saying this, "if the engine tune is correct" it will be ok the only reason I say that is cause he is trying to run c16. If stepping to a tr7 for a couple pulls to make someone feel all cozy inside then fine thats cool, but a tr9? wow thats just being scared pulling 6 degrees? put a tr7 @.028-.030 pull 2 degrees I bet you find it wants more timing.
your an idiot. A 9 is to conservatinve. LOL Have you ever ran a 9 vice a 7 ona car making 700flhp? I bet its less than 3 hp with the correct tune on each...
12-12-2008, 01:04 PM
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A 300 shot on TR6's and 100oct. WHY?
I bet if you use a colder plug pull more timing and lean it out it would go faster. Fuel is not a good coolant, I'm thinking you have it rich enough to keep it alive like that. A cold plug will cool the chamber along with less timing then you can get the mixture right.
Post pics of these plugs, I'd like to see what a "perfect" plug looks like.
There is alot more HP in getting the A/F (or N/F ratio) right then there is in timing.
My opinion.... I dont know **** though
12-12-2008, 01:40 PM
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Thats great but you should'nt be giving that out as advice.
A 300 shot on TR6's and 100oct. WHY?
I bet if you use a colder plug pull more timing and lean it out it would go faster. Fuel is not a good coolant, I'm thinking you have it rich enough to keep it alive like that. A cold plug will cool the chamber along with less timing then you can get the mixture right.
Post pics of these plugs, I'd like to see what a "perfect" plug looks like.
There is alot more HP in getting the A/F (or N/F ratio) right then there is in timing.
My opinion.... I dont know **** though
A 300 shot on TR6's and 100oct. WHY?
I bet if you use a colder plug pull more timing and lean it out it would go faster. Fuel is not a good coolant, I'm thinking you have it rich enough to keep it alive like that. A cold plug will cool the chamber along with less timing then you can get the mixture right.
Post pics of these plugs, I'd like to see what a "perfect" plug looks like.
There is alot more HP in getting the A/F (or N/F ratio) right then there is in timing.
My opinion.... I dont know **** though
and I think thats enough said. Maybe you should go read some more. retarding the timing makes more EGT so now you want me to pull timing to cool the chamber and then lean it out? your an idiot