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Old Feb 5, 2012 | 05:23 PM
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He's gonna need the pump regardless because of the fuel volume needed. Now you will get a lean spike because of the differences of pressure between fuel and nitrous. It just depends how long it goes lean for... There are obvious ways to combat this but it just isn't going to go away. Equal lengths same opening time 900psi gets there much faster than 60... trying to minimize that time is what you need to do

and yes you can pull plenty of fuel off the stock rails if needed... been there done that
not trying to hijack this thread but Cam what was the most you pulled of your rails?
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Old Feb 5, 2012 | 05:28 PM
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not trying to hijack this thread but Cam what was the most you pulled of your rails?
an .045 fuel jet
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Originally Posted by camscam02
an .045 fuel jet
Thanks man. So thats around a 200 shot?
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Old Feb 5, 2012 | 08:00 PM
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Thanks man. So thats around a 200 shot?
nope.... .103 Nitrous whatever you want to rate that at
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Old Feb 5, 2012 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by camscam02
nope.... .103 Nitrous whatever you want to rate that at
Ohh i see.
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 10:22 PM
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So to avoid the lean spike what's a good difference in lengths between the one for fuel and the one for nitrous?
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Old Feb 6, 2012 | 11:02 PM
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if your really worried about a lean spike i wouldnt mess around trying line sizes i would just buy a controller like the microedge that can control the fuel and nitrous solenoids independently and set up the delay, a window switch and a wide open throttle all in one along with a lean safety shut off... thats full of win.

fwiw i believe the problem does not come from the fuel rails or anything else but the fact that the fuel in the fuel line after the solenoid gets siphoned out of the line as air is drawn passed it. what i would do during my track runs is briefly trigger the nitrous during the burnout to fill the line.when i launched i would get no spike. If i didnt i would see a lean spike at launch all the way up to 20 afr very clearly in my logs and very audible when the nitrous hit (almost like a backfire). When i hit the nitrous in the burnout i would get no lean spike in the logs and no audible cues.

So obviously if you have a very short fuel line it will fill up with fuel much faster then a 18 inch long line, but that limits solenoid mounting location to the throttle body, which is great if thats where you want to mount it

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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by camscam02
nope.... .103 Nitrous whatever you want to rate that at
More like 300-325
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by got-a-ls1
if your really worried about a lean spike i wouldnt mess around trying line sizes i would just buy a controller like the microedge that can control the fuel and nitrous solenoids independently and set up the delay, a window switch and a wide open throttle all in one along with a lean safety shut off... thats full of win.

fwiw i believe the problem does not come from the fuel rails or anything else but the fact that the fuel in the fuel line after the solenoid gets siphoned out of the line as air is drawn passed it. what i would do during my track runs is briefly trigger the nitrous during the burnout to fill the line.when i launched i would get no spike. If i didnt i would see a lean spike at launch all the way up to 20 afr very clearly in my logs and very audible when the nitrous hit (almost like a backfire). When i hit the nitrous in the burnout i would get no lean spike in the logs and no audible cues.

So obviously if you have a very short fuel line it will fill up with fuel much faster then a 18 inch long line, but that limits solenoid mounting location to the throttle body, which is great if thats where you want to mount it
Another reason why some bang their motor at the starting line.
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Fbodyjunkie06
More like 300-325
That's about where I put it. Watch out in the next coming weeks...
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A split second lean spike while the converter is flashing wont hurt a thing.
Pill it up and let it eat !
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by camscam02
That's about where I put it. Watch out in the next coming weeks...
and still on a stock bottom end?!
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ATVracr
A split second lean spike while the converter is flashing wont hurt a thing.
Pill it up and let it eat !
here's a lean spike that's too long... fast forward to 1:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pW6VSgEmrA

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and still on a stock bottom end?!
yes sir, we only ran that jet to the 1/8 for the heads up stuff, no idea if we will do it this year yet...
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damn!
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Cam if you dont mind me asking how fast are you in the 1/4 mile now?
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Originally Posted by NV Z 28
Cam if you dont mind me asking how fast are you in the 1/4 mile now?
Long story

Last year stock heads about 380hp unlocked and about 275 of nitrous
1.32 9.52 140

This year we have only went out once that resulted in the video above
455hp unlocked 200 nitrous and a bad lean pop
1.43 9.52 140

We have fixed our lean problem and hope to go 9.0s 9.teens next time out
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Old Feb 7, 2012 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by camscam02
Long story

Last year stock heads about 380hp unlocked and about 275 of nitrous
1.32 9.52 140

This year we have only went out once that resulted in the video above
455hp unlocked 200 nitrous and a bad lean pop
1.43 9.52 140

We have fixed our lean problem and hope to go 9.0s 9.teens next time out
very impressive. PM sent because i dont want to hijack this thread.
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