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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 10:39 AM
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I have a 98 c5 spraying it with a 150 wet shot. I originally pulled 8 deg timing leaving me at about 20-21 total timing and logged for knock and had none making a single gear pull (3rd gear). where i see knock is a soon as i shift into the next gear. Ex: 2nd gear roll i don't see any knock until shifting into 3rd. I have taken timing out of it twice taking me to about 16-18 deg total timing i feel like I'm chasing my tail. Any help would be awesome. Thanks!!
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 08:00 PM
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How are you pulling timing ? Hp tuners? Lnc2000? And dumb question were you getting knock prior to the nitrous activation? 8 degrees seems a bit much for 150 shot ..I wouldov started pulling 6 degrees then check plugs... are you sure your noids are working? Hope this helps
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Old Dec 1, 2013 | 10:04 PM
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Could be just that silly rich and the load of 3rd gear helps it show up some knock.
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Old Dec 2, 2013 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by igtabg1
How are you pulling timing ? Hp tuners? Lnc2000? And dumb question were you getting knock prior to the nitrous activation? 8 degrees seems a bit much for 150 shot ..I wouldov started pulling 6 degrees then check plugs... are you sure your noids are working? Hope this helps
I agree with this. Awaiting your reply to make further diagnosis.

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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 08:12 AM
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Hp tuners is where im pulling it from i know its seems high im just trying to be safe. When it hits in that first gear it pulls awesome so i know know both noids are working and afr is at 11.9-12.4 . i also heard that 98 have sensitive knock sensors on them? Motor has 100k on it would a top end clean help? thanks !!
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Old Dec 3, 2013 | 09:34 AM
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burst knock.
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burst knock.
I have heard of cases of phantom knock, however I really think op should put some fresh plugs in (BR7EF) make a pass and check the plugs. If then the plugs coincide with the AFR's then I would double check my NA tune. Tuning on AFR alone is not the best way with nitrous IMHO. Good luck op I hope you can resolve your issue.
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Ok thanks for the replies, what cuases burst knock and how is it corrected?
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what is burst knock?
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Originally Posted by igtabg1
I have heard of cases of phantom knock, however I really think op should put some fresh plugs in (BR7EF) make a pass and check the plugs. If then the plugs coincide with the AFR's then I would double check my NA tune. Tuning on AFR alone is not the best way with nitrous IMHO. Good luck op I hope you can resolve your issue.
I agree with you completely on that. OP if you decide to take this route and need any help reading the plugs, don't be afraid to ask.

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My plugs look good timing mark a little before the bend have a light light brown color on the porcelain and no pitting or spots...What else should I look for?
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Old Dec 4, 2013 | 09:48 PM
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Did you have any idle time on those plugs our did you shut it right after the pass?
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Right after the pass . I'm leaning more to it being burst knock because it start giving me timing right back
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friends car was also giving knock on the shifts due to some worn out stock motor mounts. Put in some poly ones and it went away. we were scratching our heads for a while on it. Since you have HPT i would just get rid of the burst knock retard and see if that clears it up.
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Wheels up what would I need to change in burst knock to shut it off?
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Originally Posted by Stroker450
Wheels up what would I need to change in burst knock to shut it off?
Go to Engine>Spark>Retard Burst knock should be in the upper right corner. Go to vs RPM and zero it out.
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 09:58 PM
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It's already zeroed , the delta air mass. I have read that maybe you make i higher number to get rid of it?
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Old Dec 5, 2013 | 10:47 PM
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What Octane Fuel are you using ?? You never mentioned the Fuel Octane that you are using when you spray your engine.

You should be using 100 Octane Race Fuel to make good power & to prevent Detonation while injecting Nitrous Oxide.
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