been reading about this timing tuner in a box thing. and it seems like you can have your car tuned N/A then later on down the road throw your direct port on there with this timing tuner and wahlaah... it runs like a ****... if this is correct please tell me... i want to make sure i know how hard tuning for the juice will be. what all swithes will be needed with this box?



Tyler

 

Timing Tuner basically allows you retard your timing when the nitrous is activated. That way you can get an aggressive N/A tune, and only pull timing when you are on the spray. Best bet is probably to get your vehicle tuned on the spray as well and see how much timing you need to pull via the box.

 

are there switches on the box that allow you to pull "X" amount of timing? then after your night at the track flip them back and you have your N/A tune?

 

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I am using that, I adjust the timing from that msd control according to what shot im spraying. requires an msd ignitios tho

 

ignition

 

MSD No workie with LS1. Timing tuner is what your looking for, correct tune NA, verify timing pull for Spray, then dial it in.

 

The timing tuner has "X" amount of degrees retard that you can choose from. It plugs inline with your crank sensor and has a "hot wire" that goes to your nitrous activation switch. The tuner does nothing until it recieves power from your nitrous switch, at which time it then pulls the amount of timing out that you have dialed in. This allows you to run your N/A tune all the time, then when it's time for the spray, it is instantlly activated with your nitrous switch. Best deal in the world if you ask me. I'd do like these guys said, and have your tuner check to find the max aloted timing on the spray, then record that number. Then he can go ahead and do you N/A tune. Now subtract the N/A timing from the nitrous timing, then retard the timing that much with the timing tuner.

 

Can the Timing Box adjust rpm activation? Or would you need one of those rpm switches for this?

 

Yeah, it also acts as a window switch. Can also act as a mild progressive controller allowing up to 8 tenths of delay. In theory... I like it. I may nut up for one w/my F2 kit.

 

From RamChargers' site:

The Timing Tuner is a device that is installed on LS1 and derivative engine equipped vehicles for adjusting the spark advance 'timing' to extract improved engine performance. The unit installs 'in-line' with the crankshaft sensor wiring and alters the signal that is received by the PCM (Powertrain Control Module, 'engine computer'). By shifting the crankshaft signal ahead or behind in time the spark timing in the engine is changed.

The Timing Tuner is used to adjust the Spark Advance to improve engine response and power. Assuming sufficient octane fuel is used, most production engines will make more power with a few more degrees of spark advance. However when Nitrous Oxide or superchargers/turbochargers are used to raise horsepower the spark advance must be reduced (retarded) to prevent detonation. Detonation (pinging, spark knocking) is very destructive and is to be avoided. Always run high enough octane fuel for the power levels desired.

The Timing Tuner also has a Nitrous Oxide (N2O) control feature. The unit features activation delay, timing retard, and activation controls based on RPM (programmable window switch). The setup can be optimized for non-N2O driving and when the trigger wire is energized the secondary settings are activated. This ensures the optimum setting is always available both with and without N2O.

THE TIMING TUNER KIT CONTAINS THE FOLLOWING PARTS:

* Timing Tuner control box
* Timing Tuner wiring harness (3 feet long)
* N2O connection harness (18 inches long)
* Service jumper plug
* Tie-wraps
* Instruction manual

ADJUSTMENTS AND LED'S:
The Timing Tuner has several adjustments:

* Spark Base: Adjusts the spark advance/retard at all RPMs
* Spark WOT: Adjusts the spark advance at RPMs over 3000
* RPM: Adjust the minimum RPM to activate the N2O relay
* RTD: Adjusts additional spark retard when N2O is activated
* MODE: A series of switches to set the N2O activation delay and maximum RPM

The Timing Tuner has 2 indicator LED's: Both LED's turn on for a moment when the unit is powered up, this is for checking LED operation. The Green LED will blink once when the settings are changed to indicate that the change has be recognized.

* Green: Indicates that the unit has synchronized with the crankshaft and is controlling spark advance timing.
* Red: indicates that the N2O relay has been turned on and the RTD spark advance setting is active.

The LED's also are used to indicate various detected error conditions within the Timing Tuner System.

* Green: 1 blink - Crank sensor pulses detected out of order.
* Green: 2 blinks - Noisy crank sensor signal (reroute wiring)
* Red+Green alternating - Incorect connection or operation is detected with the N2O pilot relay. The relay must be connected as shown in the Connection Diagram.

Turning the engine off resets all detected error conditions.

N2O TRIGGER AND DELAY
The Timing Tuner has several features for control of N2O:

* Activation Delay
* Minimum RPM
* Maximum RPM

Activation Delay is used to delay the activation of the N2O system so the car's suspension has a chance to react and plant the rear tires before the N2O 'hits'. The delay is adjusted by setting Mode switches 1-3, see the table below. The delay happens once in a race, if the N2O is deactivated during a race and the engine RPMs do not drop below 3000, the delay is bypassed when the N2O is retriggered. This is useful when bracket racing and trying to stay ahead of the competition without 'breaking out'. Or when traction is lost and the driver 'lifts' to stop the wheelspin.

Minimum RPM is a setting for tuning the turn-on RPM for the N2O. This setting is checked after the Activation Delay has expired. It is used in place of, or in conjunction with Activation Delay to control the point at which the N2O is triggered in relation to torque converter stall speed.

Maximum RPM is selected with the Mode 4 switch. It is used to de-activate the N2O system below the PCM rev limiter setting. If the engine hits the PCM rev limiter with the N2O activated, a backfire could occur.

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Pretty cool IMO....

 

Yeah that thing sounds nifty.

Thanks for taking the time...