Nitrous Oxide Installation | Tuning | Products
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

few ? on a DRY system

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 11-04-2005 | 10:53 AM
  #21  
Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet's Avatar
FormerVendor
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 12,284
Likes: 4
From: Waco, TX
Default

Originally Posted by Robert56
Think about all the combination of problems that can happen on a wet hit compared to a dry hit, when considering redundant noids. About the only thing that can possibly cause a problem on a dry hit is a noid sticking open, so why not take that problem out of the picture. You could also make the argument for redundant noids on the fuel side of wet, but you double the chance of problems there also.
Also, one of my noid sticking open issues was with a filter. When I tore it apart it was from moisture. Cleaned it up, and been working since.
Noids do occasionaly stick open and/or fail to open. All kits and companys have a certain failure rate.
Robert

LOL,Ok so your point is that adding a second solenoid on a dry system is needed for safety. You say that doing that on a wet system just adds more risk. How is that it adds more risk? The whole purpose was incase one of the nitrous solenoids stuck open. So wouldnt it serve the same purpose on a wet system. Using dual nitrous solenoids. What if the system had a nitrous solenoid stick open after the system was turned off. How can it serve one purpose on one set up and not the other.Other than the fact it is a waist of money and time .Not to mention the huge restriction it causes.

On a dry system if the solenoid stuck open for some reason.You will know.The car will act funny.But want the maff add the fuel needed? Hopefully the indavidual will have enough common since to pull over and turn off the bottle. Unplug the coil packs and turn the motor over cycling all the nitrous out the exhaust.

For the guys reading this. Robert and I are not argueing. We are having a technical discusion...
Dave
Old 11-04-2005 | 12:36 PM
  #22  
fstphx's Avatar
Launching!

iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 247
Likes: 2
From: Utah
Default

Go with a single nozzle kit, and hide it all under the lid,
These are someone elses pics, but i did this too, works good, cant find anything, Ran line in wire loom, cant see a thing under the hood.
Attached Thumbnails few ? on a DRY system-nos0035bf.jpg   few ? on a DRY system-nos0052sa.jpg  
Old 11-04-2005 | 03:40 PM
  #23  
BURN'EM's Avatar
TECH Resident
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 832
Likes: 1
From: Mooresville NC
Default

Originally Posted by V6 Bird
You dont neeed 2 solenoids...I run one big one with a .102 orfice and it supplies me fine. 200 pills make 240 and ive never had one hang open. I run a filter when filling the bottle, I use paste installing the fittings into the noid and I run a filter off the bottle itself.

If you know the signs of a stuck solenoid IE surging when the blade is closed, if your bottle is mounted like mine you kill the system and turn the bottle off which is mounted right behind you...

Ok Ok call me over cautious but when your one noid goes, wave bye to your bottom end because it will be on it's way out too.
Old 11-04-2005 | 04:40 PM
  #24  
Robert56's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 9,557
Likes: 1
From: Tacoma, WA
Default

Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
LOL,Ok so your point is that adding a second solenoid on a dry system is needed for safety. You say that doing that on a wet system just adds more risk. How is that it adds more risk? The whole purpose was incase one of the nitrous solenoids stuck open. So wouldnt it serve the same purpose on a wet system. Using dual nitrous solenoids. What if the system had a nitrous solenoid stick open after the system was turned off. How can it serve one purpose on one set up and not the other.Other than the fact it is a waist of money and time .Not to mention the huge restriction it causes.

On a dry system if the solenoid stuck open for some reason.You will know.The car will act funny.But want the maff add the fuel needed? Hopefully the indavidual will have enough common since to pull over and turn off the bottle. Unplug the coil packs and turn the motor over cycling all the nitrous out the exhaust.

For the guys reading this. Robert and I are not argueing. We are having a technical discusion...
Dave
The reason it's not a good idea on wet kits is the fact you have just doubled your chance for a n2o noid not opening, and then you'll be spraying only fuel and then... Why it works on dry is because if one fails to open, so what, no harm done. I'll bet there are more posts on why my noid won't open than about any other problem. This same line of thinking is the reason it's not a good idea, on wet kits to run redundant noids on that side either, you double your chance of failure. In conclusion, no you do not have to run redundant noids on a dry kit. But, for ultra safety I think it's cheap insurance. A slight restriction I'll take for the added benifit. Maybe I'll change my small Powershots for redundant big NX noids in the new style and eliminate any restriction?
Robert
Old 11-04-2005 | 05:10 PM
  #25  
Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet's Avatar
FormerVendor
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 12,284
Likes: 4
From: Waco, TX
Default

Robert.If a Nitrous solenoid did not open on a wet kit the car would just go super rich. I have seen many of people make pases and forget to turn on there nitrous bottle. No harm done.
Dave
Old 11-04-2005 | 06:47 PM
  #26  
V6 Bird's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 5,109
Likes: 0
From: Grand Prairie, TX
Default

Originally Posted by BURN'EM
Ok Ok call me over cautious but when your one noid goes, wave bye to your bottom end because it will be on it's way out too.
You are wrong again....Becuase ive had a solenoid hang open from some debris that got by the filter...Guess what im not a rookie beyotch at this **** and i reached back like a pimp and cut it off....
Old 11-04-2005 | 07:00 PM
  #27  
Lawnboy's Avatar
Thread Starter
Restricted User
iTrader: (54)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 902
Likes: 1
Default

dave does your single nozzle kit came with the blue-purple fan nitrous nozzel like the dyno tune and zex kits?
heard this single nozzel can spray up to a 175 dry shot
Old 11-04-2005 | 08:53 PM
  #28  
V6 Bird's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 5,109
Likes: 0
From: Grand Prairie, TX
Default

Originally Posted by Lawnboy
dave does your single nozzle kit came with the blue-purple fan nitrous nozzel like the dyno tune and zex kits?
heard this single nozzel can spray up to a 175 dry shot
Its an .082 orfice...its not the nozzle that does the hp rating as much as it is what the solenoids themselves will flow.
Old 11-04-2005 | 09:43 PM
  #29  
Robert56's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 9,557
Likes: 1
From: Tacoma, WA
Default

Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
Robert.If a Nitrous solenoid did not open on a wet kit the car would just go super rich. I have seen many of people make pases and forget to turn on there nitrous bottle. No harm done.
Dave
All I can say is, lucky them. I can post links to a half dozen explosions that fuel vapor in manifold helped make big. No n2o helping to atomize fuel allows droplets to form more easly and fall out of stream. I personaly have seen many drunk drivers driving down the road, however, I have never seen one kill another person, so it must not be a problem.
Robert
Old 11-05-2005 | 09:57 AM
  #30  
BURN'EM's Avatar
TECH Resident
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 832
Likes: 1
From: Mooresville NC
Default

Originally Posted by V6 Bird
You are wrong again....Becuase ive had a solenoid hang open from some debris that got by the filter...Guess what im not a rookie beyotch at this **** and i reached back like a pimp and cut it off....


Your just a dumb *** probaly 14 15 y/o just here running your mouth like in other threads. Why don't you go and race Longrange4U rather than tell him I might beat you! Damit mites live on chickens ***. Either you will or won't Chicken ****.
Who said you were a rookie? You did b/c you are! Ok so after a launch, still rollin down the road you turn your attention to make 2 full twist to shut off your bottle? I stand proven you are a Dumbass!
Old 11-06-2005 | 10:43 AM
  #31  
Lawnboy's Avatar
Thread Starter
Restricted User
iTrader: (54)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 902
Likes: 1
Default

WOW you told him!
Old 11-07-2005 | 12:15 AM
  #32  
Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet's Avatar
FormerVendor
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 12,284
Likes: 4
From: Waco, TX
Default

Originally Posted by Robert56
All I can say is, lucky them. I can post links to a half dozen explosions that fuel vapor in manifold helped make big. No n2o helping to atomize fuel allows droplets to form more easly and fall out of stream. I personaly have seen many drunk drivers driving down the road, however, I have never seen one kill another person, so it must not be a problem.
Robert
Robert,You do know that there are super charger set ups that add there extra fuel by two injectors injecting fuel into the induction tube right? So how come these units do not have problems?
Dave
Old 11-07-2005 | 12:17 AM
  #33  
Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet's Avatar
FormerVendor
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 12,284
Likes: 4
From: Waco, TX
Default

Originally Posted by Lawnboy
dave does your single nozzle kit came with the blue-purple fan nitrous nozzel like the dyno tune and zex kits?
heard this single nozzel can spray up to a 175 dry shot
Our units have came with the ZEX dry nozzles in the past. The new units are now comming with NXS new dry nozzle.
Dave
Old 11-07-2005 | 02:05 AM
  #34  
Robert56's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 9,557
Likes: 1
From: Tacoma, WA
Default

Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
Robert,You do know that there are super charger set ups that add there extra fuel by two injectors injecting fuel into the induction tube right? So how come these units do not have problems?
Dave
Well I would have to say that a forced induction system is a whole different animal, compared to what we are doing. I think it's apples and oranges.
Did I read that correctly, NX in the dry?
Robert
Old 11-07-2005 | 09:03 AM
  #35  
Lawnboy's Avatar
Thread Starter
Restricted User
iTrader: (54)
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 902
Likes: 1
Default

why the switch
Please post a picture of the new NXs dry nozzle
thank you
Old 11-07-2005 | 10:16 AM
  #36  
Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet's Avatar
FormerVendor
iTrader: (25)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 12,284
Likes: 4
From: Waco, TX
Default

Originally Posted by Robert56
Well I would have to say that a forced induction system is a whole different animal, compared to what we are doing. I think it's apples and oranges.
Did I read that correctly, NX in the dry?
Robert
Why is it any different,You are still spraying Fuel in the intake track... NO NX does not believe in dry kits. The Dry kits are mine. Made and packaged for me by NX. Its something I asked them to build for me. I like dry kits. I have nothing against them. I just like wet kits better.LOL
Dave
Old 11-07-2005 | 02:29 PM
  #37  
NXRICKY's Avatar
Closed ex-Sponsor Account
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,797
Likes: 0
From: Wichita Falls, TX
Default

Originally Posted by Robert56
Well I would have to say that a forced induction system is a whole different animal, compared to what we are doing. I think it's apples and oranges.
Did I read that correctly, NX in the dry?
Robert
Hello Robert,
NX has 1 dry nozzle already, 1/8 npt thread, and are coming out with a 1/16 pipe thread one also..
Black for that nice clean look.
But at this time NX has NO intentioins of building a dry kit. sure we have the incognito kit, but I would not call that a dry kit,,, MORE of a grouping of parts, OR a kit that is missing something...
Ricky
Old 11-15-2005 | 11:05 PM
  #38  
Loudmouth LS1's Avatar
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 3,672
Likes: 0
From: Deerfield Beach, FL
Default

Originally Posted by Nitro Dave's Nitrous Outlet
Robert.If a Nitrous solenoid did not open on a wet kit the car would just go super rich. I have seen many of people make pases and forget to turn on there nitrous bottle. No harm done.
Dave
Totally agree! I was running a buddy a couple of months ago, my motor to his spray and my other buddy snuck in my trunk to open the bottle cuz I knew he'd start to come around me at the top of 2nd and wanted to flip the switch when he did and walk from him, only problem was he turned it like maybe a half a turn, cuz I hit the button just as I shifted to third and the car went slower, I was like wtf!!!! Got back and checked and like I said, the bottle was barely cracked!
Old 11-16-2005 | 08:37 AM
  #39  
V6 Bird's Avatar
TECH Senior Member
iTrader: (15)
 
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 5,109
Likes: 0
From: Grand Prairie, TX
Default

Originally Posted by BURN'EM
Your just a dumb *** probaly 14 15 y/o just here running your mouth like in other threads. Why don't you go and race Longrange4U rather than tell him I might beat you! Damit mites live on chickens ***. Either you will or won't Chicken ****.
Who said you were a rookie? You did b/c you are! Ok so after a launch, still rollin down the road you turn your attention to make 2 full twist to shut off your bottle? I stand proven you are a Dumbass!
LOL...You're talking **** to someone whos been over 1.5 seconds faster then your buddy you call longrange4u. Do a serach for a post called Dry Kits do hit hard and download the video. Thats me testing a custom mustang style dry kit on my LS1. Then talk **** if you can hang.

Mike




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:14 AM.