Now were talking
Dave

 

Not trying to throw poo, just a tease here but COME ON!!! Everyone here knows! That NX invented and created the Nitrous Oxide system for the car! Damn NOS knocked them off!!!

 

So should I send back the stickers I made for my noids LMFAO Nice post Ricky

 

Yes you are...but then i'm just as bad at jumping your case. LOL. So that out of the way. (I ought to delete that!!)

I have been thinking about this in my free time today. What Ricky's post really says to me is this.
1- Manufacturers spend money on an idea to bring it to market.
2- Manufacturers who care spend money on developing a system and bring it to market.
3- The hidden or sometimes forgotten costs of #2 are great.
4- #3 has to be incorporated into the various levels of product cost.
5- The sometimes forgotten costs we as consumers don't see are:
a- R&D
b- Warranty
c- Support (technical)
d- Support (Sales)
e- Marketing

I have been in Car Stereo, Home entertainment and Home Theater since 1978. I've seen "Alpine" that wasn't Alpine. Pioneer specifically states that they don't co-brand anything...but I see 6x9 speakers for sale at the local car wash that are for all visual purposes the same product...an uncanny resesblance. I look in trade magazines and see "Rockwood Explore" car stereo for sale that is carefully packaged to confuse you with Rockford (Fosgate) and Sony Explode....it looks f/n illegal...but probably isn't. or opne of my other passions...a China made Les Paul may be easir on the back after 2 hours but after 1 second you know it aint form Kalamazoo or Nashville. So Ricky this stuff happens and it sucks.

I believe that if NX keeps striving to produce excellent products that fit together as Nitrous Systems that yield excellent performance, lots of us will gladly pay the price. I guess we do have to let the attornies sort it all out if it becomes flagarent. The first system has probably developed from a couple of Solenoids, jets, line, bottle etc into the highly crafted and developed system that you now offer. For our pleasure that little system is safer than ever for our cars because it can include things like controllers, safety switches etc. Ther should still be basic kits, but the well developed system will consistently yield better results and have a warranty, be when possible backwards compatible etc.

I'll know you know way more than many of us when it comes to Nitrous systems. I'll bet we would have far fewer issues if we quit trying to be smarter than you and piece together our own systems at the core level. That said, i have to go shoot my Dyno Tune warmer and buy an NX...kidding and I know that's not what you mean!! This site need a spell checked and grammer fixerator!!

 

I can tell some may not understand the post.
I never said anything about who was first, I said was Knock OFF's.. Nos was not the first nos companies out there they were the best marketed and the best at putting a package together for the end users... With that said best meaning past tense....

lets begin,,,, bottle valve's we both have yet they are different not copies.
Nozzle world of difference here until the KNOCKED OFF the NX's vortec.
Solenoid Skinners to Peter Pauls, built to each companies spec,
Jets,,, could not be more different.
Plates, Many holes to 16 holes.
Warranties,,, NOT sure to lifetime.
See the intire post was about people that KNOCK OFF or COPY other peoples parts to the T.
And claims as their design..
Thats all hope everyone understands...
Goodluck, and Goodnight.

Ricky.

 

I couldn't agree more! Like FuelSlut but without the option of turning it off. So many times does my head want to explode!

 

Its all about making money. If someone can get away with copying someone elses design, not spend time and money researching and testing it, they will.. I am not saying its the right thing to do, but easily understandable why its being done.
I already have a couple NX products that I haven't installed yet, and will most likely be getting a DP from Nitrous Daves using NX parts..But I will be also getting a purge and bottle heater from an other sponsor will sells them for considerably less(probably because they copied someone elses design).

 

Most of this stuff dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure out. It's Capitalism at it's best, to take someone else's idea and add to it, change it or make it better. I don't think you could find one product that this hasn't happened to in some fashion. If this didn't happen there would be no competition and a company could charge what ever they wanted cause they own/control the market, or it would be like living in Russia under the commies.
Robert

 

Arrg Maty!

 

I agree with some of what you said, but I don't think Ricky is talking about the same thing. If someone, or a company, takes a design of a part and tweaks it or changes it a little bit to work better then that is not a knock-off/copy. Doing that still takes some R&D to get the finished part. However, taking a design and blatently copying it with out any changes and then marketing/selling it as your own, that is what Ricky is referring to.

For instance, there was a comparison made earlier in this thread about Edelbrock making intakes and heads for GM motors. However, they took the initial design and changed it to make it better (hopefully) and when they released it they advertised that it would "fit" the GM motors. They did not take the design of the GM head and intake, copy it exactly, and then sell it advertising that it was a GM product.

Regardless, this type of thing is going to happen in all facets of business. I guess the companies that are being copied should just take it as a form of flattery, but I don't see them doing that. Even if a company does have their product copied, I highly doubt the copy will be of the same high quality as the original, so I guess it just depends on what the customers looking for in the products they buy...less expensive/lower quality or more expensive/higher quality. Before anyone decides to jump on this last statement, I know that more expensive doesn't mean higher quality 100% of the time, but it holds up in most cases.

My opion.

 

It just makes them second hand leg humpers

 

this copying and knock off crap is stupid. this is america...freedom to do whatever you want...who cares. didnt your mom ever tell you this when your brother would try to follow you around or copy you, "hes not copying you, he admires you".
are we gonna say that all the manufacturers copied Chrysler with the mini-van design since Chrysler was the first in 84 to have one??? i mean really...this is stupid...but whatever..it is the nitrous section after all.

 

You do realize what you are saying? What did Forrest Gump say about "stupid". LOL. Hey do what you want, it's America, but don't hump my dawg...okay?

 

leave it to you to take ahole other approach to this conversation. very mature...

 

Took your lead on that one...